Simon, I remember a guide dog trainer at one of the N Y schools admitted to 
taking the blind fold off when he got scared because he could not see anything. 
Another trainer from another guide dog school  said she had a hard time driving 
home after taking the blind fold or night shade as they call it off, because 
her brain was now flooded with information and was basically, overloaded. 
Whether the sighted wearing a blind fold helps or not I cannot say.  What I can 
say is, a sighted person told me loosing her sight terrifies her. As you said, 
the sighted can take off a blind fold and regain their sight, we cannot regain 
our sight.     

-----Original Message-----
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of E.T.
Sent: August 9, 2017 7:44 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET

    So we go back to what I said earlier. We share the same universe, so we 
just learn to co-exist. Its a simple concept for the most part.

 From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
   "God for you is where you sweep away all the
   mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
   our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
   and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 8/9/2017 1:57 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
> Just to add to this,
>
>  Handing a sighted person a blindfold to let them experience what being blind 
> is like is fine and lets them wear a blindfold and walk in to stuff. However 
> they take the blind fold off and what they just did disappears from their 
> memorys.
>
> I can't get my sighted work colleagues of which there are 12 immediate  to 
> use voiceover or jaws for windows machines.
>
>  Yet if they want assistance with a mac or IOS issue they can't figure 
> out I'm the one that gets the call.
>
>  Wearing a blind fold is crap as they can take it off It might make 
> the warer feel good about themselves but they can't understand the real life 
> changes that may need to be made to live without sight.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of E.T.
> Sent: Tuesday, 8 August 2017 10:06 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - 
> CNET
>
> Kawal,
>     That is a novel idea. Hand a sighted person the blindfold and then?
> It does not work.
>
>     You are looking in the wrong place. I know someone who was born blind and 
> he has absolutely no idea what the sighted world is like. All that matters to 
> him is that he knows how to co-exist in it.
>
>     Like you said the other day... A single tap for "them" is a double tap 
> for us. What more do you want?
>
>
>  From E.T.'s Keyboard. . .
>    "God for you is where you sweep away all the
>    mysteries of the world, all the challenges to
>    our intelligence. You simply turn your mind off
>    and say God did it." --Carl Sagan
> E-mail: ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>
> On 8/7/2017 2:30 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> One thing I will say about this, we have been talking from all prospectives 
>> about using the I phone etc.
>>
>> As many of you know, I work and serve the blind community in my professional 
>> capacity.  There is a project called Online today, and they go in to 
>> people's homes and teach people how to use access Technology.  The 
>> organisation that I work for are in the business of trying to rebuild 
>> people's lives again.  So it's not always about blind users needing to 
>> understand the sighted world.  Sometimes it's about the sighted needing to 
>> know how to live in the blind world.
>>
>> I don't think people have any right to assume that I have been missing 
>> something on the use of these devices but rather that I wanted to know both 
>> sides of the coin.  If I had time i would install the beta but as it is, I 
>> don't and only have time on and off to read the e-mails on this list due to 
>> my work load.  I can go without weeks reading e-mails and most of the time I 
>> end up deleting a lot of stuff just to keep up with what's is going on.
>> Some times I wonder what is the point of me being on this list but I try to 
>> keep up as much as possible.  I have every intention of getting the next I 
>> phone 8.  I don't often read manuals but play with devices and learn that 
>> way as I am rather more of a hands on person and only read manuals as a last 
>> resort.  I'd much rather hear a demo of how the device was being used.  Some 
>> of you will remember me using the Window phones and I never read the 
>> manuals, it was listening to podcasts that helped me get to know the devices 
>> so well.
>>
>> At least I have read your comments and thanks for those.
>>
>> Kawal.
>>
>> On 7 Aug 2017, at 17:50, gary-melconian <gmelconian...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Totally agree with these points. The more perspective we hav on how sighted 
>>> do things the better we are in competing in their competitive world.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados
>>> Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 9:00 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - 
>>> CNET
>>>
>>> Kawal, I think you’ve completely missed the point of what Apple is doing 
>>> and I totally disagree with you.
>>>
>>> These articles are critical because there isn’t that much of a difference 
>>> between our use cases and the sited community.  Apple doesn’t view us as a 
>>> totally different group.  We’re not shielded from the visual in their 
>>> design.  As you know the IOS or OS X usage model gives we blind users a 
>>> better idea of what’s physically on the screen, object placement and the 
>>> GUI in general.  Unlike a JFW where the screens are totally repackaged in 
>>> to a more list form interface Voice Over sticks more to the actual screen 
>>> format and doesn’t shield me from items that many screen readers do.
>>>     Next, I don’t live in a vacuum of only blind people.  I’m just as 
>>> interested in one method of doing things as another as I have to support 
>>> sited people.
>>>
>>> I think fragmenting us even further like that only serves to harm us as in 
>>> all things, if you’re not interested use your delete key or build 
>>> appropriate filters but I think a lot of us on list are very interested in 
>>> this sort of article.  I’m very interested in new features.  Good thing 
>>> with Apple is a new feature is a new feature, it’s not a new feature for 
>>> the blind or a new sited feature, it’s just a feature.  Voice Over in 
>>> Apple’s world is just a feature to be developed like all others.  I like 
>>> that model.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Mark.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for posting these articles.  However, I'd prefer to know what is 
>>>> going to happen to the I phone with Voice Over rather than knowing what a 
>>>> sighted person will be able to do with an I phone because I don't use the 
>>>> phone in the sighted way.  I double tap and interact with my phone using 
>>>> Voice Over.  So all these things would be better if we were going to learn 
>>>> how to do these things with voice over.  After all this is a list for 
>>>> blind users.  If I wanted to know how to use a phone in the way that a 
>>>> sighted person did, then I could find that out in other ways.  I'm sorry 
>>>> but these articles in my opinion do not belong on a blindness list like 
>>>> this.  Many others will say other wise but I am a blind user using voice 
>>>> over and not a blind person using my phone in the sighted manner of a 
>>>> person who has sight and can use the phone in the main stream kind of way.
>>>> I am not criticising you Mark but just pointing out or trying to 
>>>> understand, what are these articles to do with me as I have no sight to 
>>>> understand all this.
>>>> No doubt I'll have started a fresh debate on this list, so let's have it 
>>>> as I will stand my ground on the fact that I am a blind person unable to 
>>>> use my I phone as a sighted person can.
>>>> Kawal.
>>>>> On 6 Aug 2017, at 05:34, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> CNET How To - Friday, August 4, 2017 at 2:27 PM
>>>>> 7 drastic changes coming to your iPhone with iOS 11 - CNET With 
>>>>> iOS
>>>>> 11 expected to officially launch this fall, it's a good idea to 
>>>>> know just what you're in for after you install the latest and 
>>>>> greatest Apple has to offer to the iPhone. The new OS is full of 
>>>>> small, subtle tweaks, but there are also some bigger changes that 
>>>>> will undoubtedly take some getting used to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Notification Center is no more
>>>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> Well, that's not completely true. It's still there, it's just that 
>>>>> now it's called Cover Sheet.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cover Sheet looks a lot like the standard iOS lock screen and 
>>>>> works in the same manner too. Swipe in either direction on alerts 
>>>>> to take action or clear them. Swipe from either edge of the 
>>>>> display to launch the camera or view your Today panel.
>>>>> Oh, and your notification feed will be broken up into Most Recent 
>>>>> and Earlier Today (Yesterday, and so on) sections.
>>>>>
>>>>> No more Force Touch for quick app switching When Apple announced 
>>>>> the iPhone 6 ($370.79 at Amazon.com), complete with a pressure 
>>>>> sensitive screen, the company also added a shortcut to quickly 
>>>>> switch between apps by pressing on the left edge of the display.
>>>>> With iOS 11, that gesture is gone. Go ahead, press as hard as you 
>>>>> want. It's simply not going to work.
>>>>> Time to go back to double-pressing the home button.
>>>>>
>>>>> Drag-and-drop isn't just for iPad
>>>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> Apple touted the iPad's new drag-and-drop feature when it unveiled 
>>>>> iOS 11 in June, but what the company didn't tell us is the iPhone 
>>>>> has it too; albeit in very limited situations.
>>>>> In the Photos app, for example, you can drag a photo to an album 
>>>>> instead of tapping around.
>>>>> Here's how you can try it: Place a finger on a photo until it 
>>>>> starts to hover. Tap on the Albums tab on the bottom of the screen 
>>>>> (or drag the photo to the tab). Then drop the photo in whichever album 
>>>>> you want. Neat, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> NFC is open for all
>>>>> An example of the NFC prompt coming to the iPhone 7 and 7 Plus 
>>>>> with the release of iOS 11.
>>>>> Screenshot by Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> Apple is finally giving developers access to the iPhone's NFC 
>>>>> capabilities instead of keeping it locked to just Apple Pay.
>>>>> As developers begin to release updates for apps, you will 
>>>>> undoubtedly see the option to scan NFC tags to view more 
>>>>> information about a product or connect to gym equipment, for example.
>>>>> The feature will be limited to the iPhone 7 ($799.45 at Amazon
>>>>> Marketplace) and iPhone 7 Plus ($979.99 at Amazon Marketplace).
>>>>>
>>>>> Control Center is brand new. again Jason Cipriani/CNET When you 
>>>>> swipe up from the bottom of the screen on your iPhone to view 
>>>>> Control Center, you're in for a surprise: The three-panel approach 
>>>>> of iOS 10 is gone.
>>>>> Instead, Control Center is a continuous column of buttons. You can 
>>>>> hard press on buttons for additional options, and add or remove 
>>>>> items from Control Center through the Settings app.
>>>>>
>>>>> App Store has a fresh coat of paint Sarah Tew/CNET A long overdue 
>>>>> change to the App Store is coming. With a more visually appealing, 
>>>>> interactive design, the App Store looks nothing like it used to.
>>>>> The new design will highlight new apps and developers and looks a 
>>>>> lot like Apple Music. Only instead of songs and artists, it's games and 
>>>>> apps.
>>>>> Speaking of which, Apple has finally separated the two categories 
>>>>> into their own respective sections.
>>>>>
>>>>> Screenshot tool is awesome
>>>>> Jason Cipriani/CNET
>>>>> The process of taking a screenshot, editing and then sharing it is 
>>>>> getting streamlined.
>>>>> With iOS 11 installed, when you take a screenshot a small preview 
>>>>> thumbnail will show up in the bottom-left corner. Tap on it to 
>>>>> markup, crop, edit, delete or share.
>>>>>
>>>>> Original Article at:
>>>>> https://www.cnet.com/how-to/drastic-changes-coming-to-your-iphone-
>>>>> wit
>>>>> h-ios-1
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