Firstly, I don't have a set of Torx screwdrivers. Secondly, the way I hear it described, there are lots of short and delicate wires that I'm afraid I'd snap without even knowing it. If I had a dead Mini on which to try it first, I'd definitely pick that one apart and see what it's like in there, otherwise, too risky for me.

On 5/13/2018 5:32 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote:
Why not do it your self?

  The hdd isn't easy but it can be done.

Ram is so simple you'd be crazy not to do it yourself.

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Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2018 3:09 AM
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Subject: Re: TO upgrade, or to change platforms entirelyWWYDWhat would you do?

I was thinking of doing that, but with the proliferation of computer repair 
joints, I don't know how I'd figure out which ones are reputable and which are 
not. I'm already thinking about where to go to have this stuff done. There's 
actually a place right down the street  from me that sells Apple stuff, but 
they're not an Apple Store store. I know that sounds gramatically in error, but 
you know what I mean I'm sure. I'm going to give them a call first to find out 
if they'll handle the third-party hardware aspect of this upgrade.


And thanks in advance for the research.


On 5/12/2018 3:54 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Hi Steve
I’ll do some research on parts for your Mini and get back to you in a few hours.

Just one thing, if you want Apple to do the upgrade for you, as far as I know 
they won’t allow you to buy your own SSD and RAM. They will quote you on their 
parts and installation, even if the same parts you wanted to buy in the first 
place, it will be a lot more expensive going threw Apple.
If you want to buy your own parts you’ll have to get a third party shop to do 
the installation for you. Ask around your area, usually there are a lot of 
third party computer places willing and able to work on Apple hardware as well 
at much better prices.

Nick


On 12 May 2018, at 03:51, Steve Matzura <numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:

Nick,


If a new Mini is on the near horizon, then I can hold my breath and see what 
it's like when it arrives. But a disk upgrade could always be useful, even if I 
buy the new Mini later.


Re upgrading, memory and SSD are the highest of priorities. I already have my 
eyes on solutions for the disk. I don't think I'd want to waste one of four USB 
ports for a boot device, though, except if it was just for short-term testing 
and setup. I'm thinking of paying Apple the dollars, about a hundred fifty of 
them, to swap the drive and double the memory for me (plus parts, of course). I 
just have to obtain the correct sticks, as you say. Any advanced info before 
searching for info thereon would be most appreciated.


Re the external MyBook with TM backups and samples on it, the samples and other 
music production library stuff is all 100% duplicated on a drive on a Windows 
machine, and even if that breaks, it can all be re-downloaded from the sites 
from which it was purchased. Once the SSD is installed in the Mini, that data 
gets moved there, giving the whole 3TB MyBook drive over to TM.

About the Mac Pro, I think I'm off that idea for good, and not just because of 
your explanation. Yes, the ones I'm seeing on eBay are 2013 build models, 
therefore not upgradable. But with eight cores and 32GB memory, I don't think 
any upgrading would even be necessary, with the exception of swapping the 
internal drive it comes with for an SSD. What kind of killed the whole idea for 
me is that I think these machines only have SATA2 interfaces.

So let's talk more about booting from a USB-connected SSD. The specifications 
really say it all. Have you any recommendations for an adapter, caddy or 
enclosure for a SATA3 SSD? I don't really need one of those big 
three-and-a-half-inch enclosures, and I've never met one I really liked anyway. 
When I buy the SSD, I'll of course buy the two-and-a-half-inch form factor unit 
that will fit into the Mini, but I'd like to set it up and test with it before 
taking the Mini in for the permanent transplant, which is why I'd want the 
enclosure or adapter.

Other than that, I don't think there are any other considerations to ponder 
before starting to order parts and make appointments to have the surgery done.

On 5/11/2018 4:11 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote:
Hi Steve
Firstly when talking Mac Pro I presume you are referring to the cheese grater, 
since that’s the only Mac Pro which is upgradable, the newer trashcan isn’t at 
all upgradable when it comes to drives and RAM.
The last cheese grater is already older than your current 2012 Mac Mini, 
without some hacking the last model cheese grater can for example not run High 
Sierra where your Mini is still officially supported. The other problem with 
the cheese grater is the wifi and bluetooth on it which can’t be upgraded very 
easily, same with the USB-2.

I saw a post on another platform the other day of a guy who upgraded a cheese 
grater, it took him a lot of tinkering and hacking, a lot of searching and 
expensive Ebay shopping, but eventually he could upgrade the wifi and bluetooth 
to more current versions, he installed USB-3 and he installed PCI SSD storage. 
The entire modding process eventually costed him more than what he bought the 
second hand machine for, and in the end he commented that it was probably not 
the smartest money he ever spent.

I own a late 2013 iMac which probably has much the same internals as your Mini, 
also 1 TB drive, also 8 GB RAM, I gave this machine of mine some new life the 
other day. The iMac can’t be opened up easily to upgrade the internals and I 
wasn’t willing to pay Apple to do it. I rather decided to get a external USB-3 
SSD to be used as the boot drive. I installed High Sierra on the external SSD 
along with all my other stuff and now I use the internal 1 TB HDD only as mass 
storage. The iMac runs like a dream, it’s nice and fast again, almost as fast 
as my 2015 MBP with 256 GB SSD and double the RAM.

If you are very confident in your abilities or have a friend who can do it, 
then I suggest you install a SSD in your Mini to be used as your boot drive, 
512 GB even 256 GB should do it. I can’t remember off hand, but if I recall 
doing this on the 2012 Mini is still quite easy, I doubt any special tools are 
needed for example.
Next while you are at it and if you have the budget, upgrade the RAM to 16 GB, 
just read up and make double certain you get the correct RAM.

As for your external drive with your samples and time machine backup, have you 
got a backup of all samples and another time machine drive or is this your only 
copy of this data?
I suggest you get a second external hard drive of the same or bigger size and 
make a clone of your external drive so that you have 2 copies of that data. I 
also suggest you partition the drives to split your sample library and time 
machine to two partitions.

If you can’t install a SSD in to your Mini then do what I did, use a external 
SSD as your boot drive,, but SSD is definately the way to go here. Another 
advantage of doing it this way is that you can very easily reuse that external 
SSD for something else should you stop using your Mini one day.

Before you purchase anything, maybe wait till WWDC next month, a new Mac Mini 
model is long overdue and I hope we will see one announced then.

Nick
On 11 May 2018, at 03:50, Steve Matzura <numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote:

I have a quad core i7 late 2012 Mac Mini with the stock 5400rpm 1TB drive and 
8GB RAM. I use it exclusively for music reation and education (mainly my own) 
with Logic and Pro Tools. My sample libraries are stored on an external MyBook 
3TB drive which is also shared with time Machine. Consequently, once per hour, 
there's a little gligtchiness sometimes if I happen to be playing something 
that draws heavily on sampled content when TM runs. Granted, it only lasts for 
a second or two because the machine does not require much in the way of 
backups, as very little on it changes.


So I'm starting to think it's time for an upgrade. But what to upgrade?


Clearly more memory would help, as well as replacing the mechanical drive with 
a solid-state drive. There's also the main hardware, which surely can't be 
upgradable to the next operating system forever. I ran into this with a 2009 
iMac when Sierra was released. For disk replacement, Crucial has a 2TB drive 
for five hundred dollars--that's just twenty-five cents US per gig--a very nice 
price. I'm quite fond of Crucial solid-state disks, as I already own two other 
smaller units used in other machine. I figure if I changed out the 1TB rotating 
drive for a 2TB SSD and moved all my sample libraries to that drive, that would 
also eliminate the USB 3 slow-down (if there really is one, which I'm not 
convinced there is), then that USB drive would be used exclusively for Time 
Machine backups.


Another option is to purchase an empty Mac Pro and put the Crucial 2TB drive 
and lots of memory into it, then set the rest of it up as above. But how long 
will a Mac Pro last before it, too, can no longer be upgraded? With the price 
of Apple hardware ever increasing, will I eventually get priced out of 
upgrading?


Everybody says it's bad practice to mix system and data files on a drive. But 
if it's a solid-state drive, how could this be bad?


If I obtain a Mac Pro, which model year has the highest expandability quotient? 
i.e., which one can I keep the longest and expand the most into the future 
before it won't be expandable/ upgradable any more, like my old 2009 iMac 
turned out to be when Sierra was released.

So, what would you do?

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