Steve I think that’s a good choice. Personally I also wouldn’t try it and I’ve had my fare share of digging around and building computers back in the day when I still had reasonable eye site, I was a gamer after all.
You can give me a PC tower or Mac Pro cheese grater any day, something which is meant to be upgraded and I’ll happily do the CPU, GPU, PSU, RAM and drives, but don’t give me a laptop or something else which is not really meant to be upgraded, Mac Mini and iMac falls in this category. I simply don’t have the confidence to do those anymore without screwing something up. Nick > On 14 May 2018, at 16:31, Steve Matzura <[email protected]> wrote: > > Firstly, I don't have a set of Torx screwdrivers. Secondly, the way I hear it > described, there are lots of short and delicate wires that I'm afraid I'd > snap without even knowing it. If I had a dead Mini on which to try it first, > I'd definitely pick that one apart and see what it's like in there, > otherwise, too risky for me. > > > On 5/13/2018 5:32 AM, Simon Fogarty wrote: >> Why not do it your self? >> >> The hdd isn't easy but it can be done. >> >> Ram is so simple you'd be crazy not to do it yourself. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On >> Behalf Of Steve Matzura >> Sent: Sunday, 13 May 2018 3:09 AM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: TO upgrade, or to change platforms entirelyWWYDWhat would you >> do? >> >> I was thinking of doing that, but with the proliferation of computer repair >> joints, I don't know how I'd figure out which ones are reputable and which >> are not. I'm already thinking about where to go to have this stuff done. >> There's actually a place right down the street from me that sells Apple >> stuff, but they're not an Apple Store store. I know that sounds gramatically >> in error, but you know what I mean I'm sure. I'm going to give them a call >> first to find out if they'll handle the third-party hardware aspect of this >> upgrade. >> >> >> And thanks in advance for the research. >> >> >> On 5/12/2018 3:54 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote: >>> Hi Steve >>> I’ll do some research on parts for your Mini and get back to you in a few >>> hours. >>> >>> Just one thing, if you want Apple to do the upgrade for you, as far as I >>> know they won’t allow you to buy your own SSD and RAM. They will quote you >>> on their parts and installation, even if the same parts you wanted to buy >>> in the first place, it will be a lot more expensive going threw Apple. >>> If you want to buy your own parts you’ll have to get a third party shop to >>> do the installation for you. Ask around your area, usually there are a lot >>> of third party computer places willing and able to work on Apple hardware >>> as well at much better prices. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> >>>> On 12 May 2018, at 03:51, Steve Matzura <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Nick, >>>> >>>> >>>> If a new Mini is on the near horizon, then I can hold my breath and see >>>> what it's like when it arrives. But a disk upgrade could always be useful, >>>> even if I buy the new Mini later. >>>> >>>> >>>> Re upgrading, memory and SSD are the highest of priorities. I already have >>>> my eyes on solutions for the disk. I don't think I'd want to waste one of >>>> four USB ports for a boot device, though, except if it was just for >>>> short-term testing and setup. I'm thinking of paying Apple the dollars, >>>> about a hundred fifty of them, to swap the drive and double the memory for >>>> me (plus parts, of course). I just have to obtain the correct sticks, as >>>> you say. Any advanced info before searching for info thereon would be most >>>> appreciated. >>>> >>>> >>>> Re the external MyBook with TM backups and samples on it, the samples and >>>> other music production library stuff is all 100% duplicated on a drive on >>>> a Windows machine, and even if that breaks, it can all be re-downloaded >>>> from the sites from which it was purchased. Once the SSD is installed in >>>> the Mini, that data gets moved there, giving the whole 3TB MyBook drive >>>> over to TM. >>>> >>>> About the Mac Pro, I think I'm off that idea for good, and not just >>>> because of your explanation. Yes, the ones I'm seeing on eBay are 2013 >>>> build models, therefore not upgradable. But with eight cores and 32GB >>>> memory, I don't think any upgrading would even be necessary, with the >>>> exception of swapping the internal drive it comes with for an SSD. What >>>> kind of killed the whole idea for me is that I think these machines only >>>> have SATA2 interfaces. >>>> >>>> So let's talk more about booting from a USB-connected SSD. The >>>> specifications really say it all. Have you any recommendations for an >>>> adapter, caddy or enclosure for a SATA3 SSD? I don't really need one of >>>> those big three-and-a-half-inch enclosures, and I've never met one I >>>> really liked anyway. When I buy the SSD, I'll of course buy the >>>> two-and-a-half-inch form factor unit that will fit into the Mini, but I'd >>>> like to set it up and test with it before taking the Mini in for the >>>> permanent transplant, which is why I'd want the enclosure or adapter. >>>> >>>> Other than that, I don't think there are any other considerations to >>>> ponder before starting to order parts and make appointments to have the >>>> surgery done. >>>> >>>> On 5/11/2018 4:11 AM, Nickus de Vos wrote: >>>>> Hi Steve >>>>> Firstly when talking Mac Pro I presume you are referring to the cheese >>>>> grater, since that’s the only Mac Pro which is upgradable, the newer >>>>> trashcan isn’t at all upgradable when it comes to drives and RAM. >>>>> The last cheese grater is already older than your current 2012 Mac Mini, >>>>> without some hacking the last model cheese grater can for example not run >>>>> High Sierra where your Mini is still officially supported. The other >>>>> problem with the cheese grater is the wifi and bluetooth on it which >>>>> can’t be upgraded very easily, same with the USB-2. >>>>> >>>>> I saw a post on another platform the other day of a guy who upgraded a >>>>> cheese grater, it took him a lot of tinkering and hacking, a lot of >>>>> searching and expensive Ebay shopping, but eventually he could upgrade >>>>> the wifi and bluetooth to more current versions, he installed USB-3 and >>>>> he installed PCI SSD storage. The entire modding process eventually >>>>> costed him more than what he bought the second hand machine for, and in >>>>> the end he commented that it was probably not the smartest money he ever >>>>> spent. >>>>> >>>>> I own a late 2013 iMac which probably has much the same internals as your >>>>> Mini, also 1 TB drive, also 8 GB RAM, I gave this machine of mine some >>>>> new life the other day. The iMac can’t be opened up easily to upgrade the >>>>> internals and I wasn’t willing to pay Apple to do it. I rather decided to >>>>> get a external USB-3 SSD to be used as the boot drive. I installed High >>>>> Sierra on the external SSD along with all my other stuff and now I use >>>>> the internal 1 TB HDD only as mass storage. The iMac runs like a dream, >>>>> it’s nice and fast again, almost as fast as my 2015 MBP with 256 GB SSD >>>>> and double the RAM. >>>>> >>>>> If you are very confident in your abilities or have a friend who can do >>>>> it, then I suggest you install a SSD in your Mini to be used as your boot >>>>> drive, 512 GB even 256 GB should do it. I can’t remember off hand, but if >>>>> I recall doing this on the 2012 Mini is still quite easy, I doubt any >>>>> special tools are needed for example. >>>>> Next while you are at it and if you have the budget, upgrade the RAM to >>>>> 16 GB, just read up and make double certain you get the correct RAM. >>>>> >>>>> As for your external drive with your samples and time machine backup, >>>>> have you got a backup of all samples and another time machine drive or is >>>>> this your only copy of this data? >>>>> I suggest you get a second external hard drive of the same or bigger size >>>>> and make a clone of your external drive so that you have 2 copies of that >>>>> data. I also suggest you partition the drives to split your sample >>>>> library and time machine to two partitions. >>>>> >>>>> If you can’t install a SSD in to your Mini then do what I did, use a >>>>> external SSD as your boot drive,, but SSD is definately the way to go >>>>> here. Another advantage of doing it this way is that you can very easily >>>>> reuse that external SSD for something else should you stop using your >>>>> Mini one day. >>>>> >>>>> Before you purchase anything, maybe wait till WWDC next month, a new Mac >>>>> Mini model is long overdue and I hope we will see one announced then. >>>>> >>>>> Nick >>>>>> On 11 May 2018, at 03:50, Steve Matzura <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a quad core i7 late 2012 Mac Mini with the stock 5400rpm 1TB >>>>>> drive and 8GB RAM. I use it exclusively for music reation and education >>>>>> (mainly my own) with Logic and Pro Tools. My sample libraries are stored >>>>>> on an external MyBook 3TB drive which is also shared with time Machine. >>>>>> Consequently, once per hour, there's a little gligtchiness sometimes if >>>>>> I happen to be playing something that draws heavily on sampled content >>>>>> when TM runs. Granted, it only lasts for a second or two because the >>>>>> machine does not require much in the way of backups, as very little on >>>>>> it changes. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So I'm starting to think it's time for an upgrade. But what to upgrade? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Clearly more memory would help, as well as replacing the mechanical >>>>>> drive with a solid-state drive. There's also the main hardware, which >>>>>> surely can't be upgradable to the next operating system forever. I ran >>>>>> into this with a 2009 iMac when Sierra was released. For disk >>>>>> replacement, Crucial has a 2TB drive for five hundred dollars--that's >>>>>> just twenty-five cents US per gig--a very nice price. I'm quite fond of >>>>>> Crucial solid-state disks, as I already own two other smaller units used >>>>>> in other machine. I figure if I changed out the 1TB rotating drive for a >>>>>> 2TB SSD and moved all my sample libraries to that drive, that would also >>>>>> eliminate the USB 3 slow-down (if there really is one, which I'm not >>>>>> convinced there is), then that USB drive would be used exclusively for >>>>>> Time Machine backups. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Another option is to purchase an empty Mac Pro and put the Crucial 2TB >>>>>> drive and lots of memory into it, then set the rest of it up as above. >>>>>> But how long will a Mac Pro last before it, too, can no longer be >>>>>> upgraded? With the price of Apple hardware ever increasing, will I >>>>>> eventually get priced out of upgrading? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Everybody says it's bad practice to mix system and data files on a >>>>>> drive. But if it's a solid-state drive, how could this be bad? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If I obtain a Mac Pro, which model year has the highest expandability >>>>>> quotient? i.e., which one can I keep the longest and expand the most >>>>>> into the future before it won't be expandable/ upgradable any more, like >>>>>> my old 2009 iMac turned out to be when Sierra was released. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, what would you do? >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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