If it keeps acting up, you may not have to kidnap it. lol Thanks, ET. Cheers, Donna
> On Jul 3, 2018, at 4:28 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > <[email protected]> wrote: > > I did not think of that, super idea. Good luck Donna. I am close to > kidnapping that MBP! (smiles) > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > [email protected] > Science is not only compatible with spirituality; > it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan > > On 7/3/2018 2:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: >> Thanks! Actually, I just got off the phone with Apple again. Since >> creating another user solved the issue, I'm just gonna do that and move my >> content over. Thanks, though. If this doesn't work, I'll take you up on it. >> Cheers, >> Donna >>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 4:14 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> You might get away with it. Hey an idea. This is off list. Let me know >>> which file or folder you want and I will attach it from my High Sierra. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> [email protected] >>> Science is not only compatible with spirituality; >>> it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan >>> >>> On 7/3/2018 1:59 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>> Yeah, but I'd still have the same problem. I doubt I can cut and paste a >>>> system prefs file from Sierra, now that I'm running High Sierra. >>>> Donna >>>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:54 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I hear yuh. Another approach might be to open the TM folder in a Finder >>>>> window and use the normal navigation commands to get to a folder with the >>>>> date in its folder name you desire and open it. If you know which folder >>>>> or file you want, just copy and paste it. >>>>> >>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Science is not only compatible with spirituality; >>>>> it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan >>>>> >>>>> On 7/3/2018 1:43 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>> OK, now I'm really about done with this MBP. I just realized that I >>>>>> can't restore my old System Prefs, because since my last backup, I >>>>>> upgraded to High Sierra. So for now, I'm giving yup on the MBP, and >>>>>> going back to my 2013 MacBook Air. It's old, but at least it works. >>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:33 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Its been a while since I was in TM. Enter TM from menu extras and >>>>>>> from there find the timeline. You will need to use Window Chooser to >>>>>>> switch between the Finder window and the TM controls. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> Science is not only compatible with spirituality; >>>>>>> it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 7/3/2018 1:19 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>>> Hey ET, >>>>>>>> I was looking at that article a few minutes ago. I can get to System >>>>>>>> Preferences, but I can only see the most recent version date. In the >>>>>>>> article it says something about a timeline, but I don't see anything >>>>>>>> like that. >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 3:05 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Donna, >>>>>>>>> This may help. I've not had to do this but should try it myself. >>>>>>>>> Look in the Restore section of the article. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht201250#restore> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Science is not only compatible with spirituality; >>>>>>>>> it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2018 12:46 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yeah, the restore thing is what I'm looking at if I can figure it >>>>>>>>>> out. >>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 2018, at 9:25 AM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Donna, >>>>>>>>>>> Do you run Time Machine? Perhaps you can do a restore from a date >>>>>>>>>>> preceding the dictation episode. Or, and I hate to bring this up >>>>>>>>>>> again, a clean install? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> Science is not only compatible with spirituality; >>>>>>>>>>> it is a profound source of spirituality.| --Carl Sagan >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2018 7:08 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>>>>>>>> Just tried the two solutions you proposed below. Resetting VO >>>>>>>>>>>> prefs did not help, but creating a new user did. When I'm logged >>>>>>>>>>>> in as the other user, the Option key works perfectly. So now what >>>>>>>>>>>> do I do with that information? >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 10:15 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So, knowing all this, and with all you've already tried, it >>>>>>>>>>>>> sounds to me like the option key and other aspects of your >>>>>>>>>>>>> built-in keyboard are fine from a hardware prospective. Thus, >>>>>>>>>>>>> software is likely the culprit. Before we do the drastic thing >>>>>>>>>>>>> of a clean install, let's try two things. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> First thing to try is to reset your VO prefs to default and see >>>>>>>>>>>>> if they're causing any grief. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> • open the VO Utility >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Up to the File menu. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Down to Export. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Press cmd-shift-d to force the save to go to the Desktop. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Press return. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • cmd-q to quit the VO Utility. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You should now have a file on your Desktop that says something >>>>>>>>>>>>> like VoiceOver Archive. This is a backup of your current VO >>>>>>>>>>>>> settings that we can easily put back in place if this doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>> help. Next, go back into the VO Utility and go under the File >>>>>>>>>>>>> menu, choose Reset All Preferences and confirm. VO will revert >>>>>>>>>>>>> back to its default settings that Apple sends out with it. Try >>>>>>>>>>>>> using the option key now in text fields. If this doesn't help, >>>>>>>>>>>>> just VO-space on the VoiceOver Archive item on your Desktop and >>>>>>>>>>>>> VO will return to the normal way you had it set. Then we'll go >>>>>>>>>>>>> to our second thing to try. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Second Thing to Try is to create a new user and test things on it: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Open System Prefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Open Users & Groups. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Press the lock to unlock this pane. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Press the Add user button >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Give the user a name and password. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Click Create and let it do its work. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Close System Prefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Log out of this user and log into your newly created user. >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Turn on VO >>>>>>>>>>>>> • Open a TextEdit document and see if the option key works in >>>>>>>>>>>>> this user. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me know your results. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 08:54, Donna Goodin <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just tried it. The problem still exists using the external >>>>>>>>>>>>> keyboard. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Donna, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Windows keyboard is fine. The only difference is usually the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> placement of the cmd and option keys. From the lower left of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the keyboard, on the Mac keyboard, it goes FN, control, option, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> command then space. On the Windows keyboard, when connected to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Mac, at the lower left, it goes control, command, option, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> space. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 06:29, Donna Goodin <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Anne, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't. Unfortunately, the only external keyboard I have is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a Windows keyboard, so not sure how I would test this. But I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't think the problem is the keyboard. This only happens when >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm in an editable field, email, documents and so on. For >>>>>>>>>>>>>> example, when I'm reading your message, the option key works >>>>>>>>>>>>>> just as expected. It's only when I go to reply to you--and thus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have an edit field open, that it stops working. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I'm going to give regular Apple tech support a call this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 28, 2018, at 12:54 AM, Anne Robertson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Donna, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you tried connecting an external keyboard to see whether >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the behaviour continues? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 28 Jun 2018, at 02:52, Donna Goodin <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm using the left. I have the right set for shortcuts for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opening apps. I just tried using the right, and the result >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was the same. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more questions. Are you using the left or right option >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> key when trying this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 17:28, Tim Kilburn <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to the basics. Are you interacting with the editable >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> field before trying to use option-arrow? Is QuickNav turned >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> off? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 16:20, Donna Goodin <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. This is positively crazy! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 4:35 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One more try. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. go to System Prefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Select the Keyboard pane. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Select the Keyboard tab within the Keyboard pane. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Navigate to the Modifier keys button and press it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Navigate to the "Restore Defaults" button and press it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Press the OK button. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Close System Prefs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try your text field stuff now. Again, let me know how it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 14:54, Donna Goodin <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, it is frustrating! 😊 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, this last suggestion didn't help either. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you so much for all your effort on this, though. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You've gone way beyond my knowledge base, so whatever the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outcome, I really appreciate your work on this. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmph. That sucks. I hate it when things are not super >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> easy to fix. So, if you use the VO keys, then that tells >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me that there's nothing wrong with your Option key. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Go to the Finder. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. From the Go menu, choose the Utilities folder. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. In the Utilities folder, open the Terminal app. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. In Terminal, interact with the Shell script area, then >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> type the following command followed by the return key: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nvram -c >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Quit Terminal, close any windows and restart your Mac. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try things in text fields now. Let me know how it goes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 13:55, Donna Goodin <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Tim, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Enable mouse keys is unchecked. I use the standard VO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keys, not Caps lock. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 2:00 PM, Tim Kilburn <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Donna, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Go under System Prefs, Accessibility, Mouse & Trackpad. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure that Mouse keys is not enabled. If that doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> help, do you use the VO keys, or the Caps-Lock as your VO >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keys? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 27, 2018, at 12:49, Donna Goodin <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject line says it all. I just finished the upgrade to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> High Sierra. 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You can reach >>>>>>>>>>> mark at: [email protected] and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can >>>>>>>>>>> reach Cara at [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>>>>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> <Ancient_Aliens.vcf> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach >>>>>>>>> mark at: [email protected] and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach >>>>>>>>> Cara at [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>>>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>> Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> <Ancient_Aliens.vcf> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, >>>>>>> or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact >>>>>>> the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list >>>>>>> itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>>>>>> at: [email protected] and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara >>>>>>> at [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>>>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>> <Ancient_Aliens.vcf> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>> >>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. You can reach mark >>>>> at: [email protected] and your owner is Cara Quinn - you can reach Cara at >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> The archives for this list can be searched at: >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ >>>>> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> <Ancient_Aliens.vcf> >>> >>> -- >>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>> Visionaries list. >>> >>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if >>> you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners >>> or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>> >>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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