Hi Tim,

I actually was rearranging boxes which had mistakenly gotten placed within 
other boxes when they should have been top level On My Mac mailboxes to begin 
with.  It was a bit of a bitch having to do it visually by hand because I would 
otherwise keep dropping boxes within other boxes.  I think I’m done for now.  
But if you have any further guidance on how to avoid dropping boxes into other 
boxes, in other words, moving boxes to the top level of On My Mac, let me know. 
 

Thanks for revisiting this topic.  

Best,
Kevin

> On Feb 10, 2020, at 12:51 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Are you moving InBoxes, or other mailboxes?  For InBoxes, when you drop the 
> dragged item, it always drops below the item you are focused on.  For other 
> mailboxes, they are usually arranged alphabetically within the parent 
> folder/box.  So, unless you are moving it to a different folder, or 
> completely different mailbox location, I recommend that you don't attempt to 
> re-arrange them.
> 
> Later...
> 
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Jamf Certified Tech
> Apple Teacher
> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
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> 
> On Feb 3, 2020, at 15:45, Kevin Gibbs <[email protected] 
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> 
> Tim and Co.
> 
> Sorry to bring this thread back up.  Tim’s suggestion works great with one 
> exception.  I can move mailboxes around but I can’t distinguish how to move a 
> mailbox so that it appears immediately below the point where I release the 
> mouse.  Invariably, I end up putting the moved mailbox within the mailbox 
> where I release the mouse.  I have enough vision to physically move a mailbox 
> and place it such that a thin blue line appears, telling me to double tap and 
> release the mouse.  But there must be a command that distinguishes between 
> putting the moving mailbox within the destination and putting it below the 
> destination.  What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> Kevin
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2019, at 10:49 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries 
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>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
>> 
>> to clarify, this key combination was the original combination for dragging 
>> and dropping when it was first introduced way back in Leopard or Snow 
>> Leopard.  This method also required you to turn off cursor tracking and to 
>> do some careful mouse routing.  The cursor tracking part of it is no longer 
>> needed, and depending on your cursor syncing settings, mouse routing is not 
>> always needed either.  I still do that part though as I find it often helps. 
>>  No, this combination and process has not been removed, it is still a part 
>> of VO commands.  VO-comma and VO-period or VO-full stop for those of you 
>> across the ponds, is also used for drag & drop but has lots of limitations.  
>> The VO-comma/VO-period drag & drop process seems to require items to remain 
>> visible either within the VO cursor or within the visible portion of a 
>> scrollable element.  This causes problems when you are attempting to drag 
>> between windows, apps or items from one table to another.  This is where the 
>> old fashioned method shines.  VO-cmd-shift-space toggles between mouse down 
>> and mouse-up.  Yes, the combination is all those keys, 
>> ctrl-option-cmd-shift-space.  It a twister combination but can be made 
>> easier with VO-; to lock the VO keys, or to create a more simple combination 
>> with the keyboard commander.  I have a keyboard commander shortcut set for 
>> this, but usually forget to use it and just use the full key combination as 
>> I'm used to doing it anyway.
>> 
>> There you go.  Your history lesson along with clarification.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Apple Teacher
>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition)
>> Jamf Certified Associate
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Sep 18, 2019, at 19:01, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries 
>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>   Try using VO plus semi colon to lock the VO keys. That should help. Don't 
>> forget to unlock the keys again with the same command which is a toggle.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
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>> On 9/18/2019 5:41 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>>> E.T. so the syntax VO-command-shift-space literally means holding down the 
>>> Control, Option, Command, Shift keys and pressing spacebar?
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