Hi Petrus, Is Microsoft Outlook on your mac something you would think about using?
I’ve not tried it myself but I’m sure you can use other tones / notifications in outlook such as adding your own, Or at least I thought you could. I know you can on windows. From: 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 14 March 2020 7:11 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac Hi, The Mail app uses sounds as opposed to the Messages app using tones. It's sort of how the specific app accesses noise files. Yes, Mail does not have as many to choose from because it does not access the tone kit library. I'm not in the know as to why Mail accesses audio files differently, but, basically, it would be somewhere in the coding of the Mail app and any routines within there that make certain resources available to it. Maybe in time, they'll change that part of the code, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Later... Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 13, 2020, at 11:34, Petrus Tuerlings <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: And this is what confuses me. Sinking between apple devices logged into the same apple account is usually very easy and seamless except for this one thing. I mean all of the ring ring tones and alert tones that are available on the iPhone are available in the messages app on the Mac, but there are only 15 sounds one can use in the mail app. So the sounds are on the Mac but I just can’t use them for the email, and that isn’t even the sounds I purchased, that is just the sounds that come with the iPhone. On 14/03/2020, at 03:08, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Simon, If it was music, then it's easy. Tones are a different animal as they are not managed within the Music app or iTunes anymore. I believe that it would be an exercise in futility with purchased tones but workable with self-developed or shared tones. Later... Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 13, 2020, at 00:42, Simon A Fogarty <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Oh, I see Petrus, You want the tones you’ve purchased on your phone To be on your mac book as tones on there, Is there away now to download purchased items from itunes on your phone on to your mac book? Tim, can petrus not just download what he has purchased via his phone on to his notebook like you use to through itunes? From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Petrus Tuerlings Sent: Friday, 13 March 2020 9:44 AM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: Incoming email sounds on the Mac Never mind, it all sounds too hard. I’ll just have to stick with the sounds that come on the Mac. Hopefully one Apple will let us download extra sounds from the iTunes Store to the Mac. On 13/03/2020, at 09:40, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Petrus, Nope. The ring-tones are m4r format whereas the alert-tones on the Mac are AIFF. If these are tones that you've purchased, then it will be a little more challenging to make into an AiFF audio file, but not normally impossible. Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 12, 2020, at 14:31, Petrus Tuerlings <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Nope, I’m still confused. I have these sounds that I purchased through the iTunes Store on my iPhone, how do I get them from my iPhone to the Mac in order to paste them in the first place. I’m assuming the Mac uses the same file type for the alert tones than the iPhone uses? On 13/03/2020, at 09:19, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Petrus, Actually, I lied. What a scum-bag, eh? I may have read too much into your question. The problems I was referring to have to do with ring-tones in the Messages app and Phone app on your iPhone/iPad. As you know, you can customize these in iPhone/iPad, and my woes had to do with attempts to customize the same sounds in Messages and FaceTime on the Mac. So, now what you've really asked is actually fairly quick and painless as long as your custom alert sound is an AIFF file. What you do is paste the AIFF audio file into the Sounds folder in ~/Library. That is, go to your Desktop, then to the menubar, over to the Go menu, make sure to keep the VO keys pressed and go down to the Library item and activate with return or VO-space. Now, your personal Library folder is open and you can locate the Sounds folder, open it and paste in the AIFF sound file. Once it is in this location, go back into the Mail app, to Preferences, and in the General pane you'll have that new sound as an option. If you don't have an app to convert your sound file into an AIFF, send it to me off-list and I'll convert it for you. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 12, 2020, at 13:09, Petrus Tuerlings <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Tim, That answers my question. I still can’t understand why apple makes it so difficult. Like I said most of the default sounds for the messages app are available on both the Mac and the iPhone, but the alert sounds for the Mail app are very limited. I haven’t counted them but I’m guessing it is only around 9 options, none of which are very exciting. Surely it can’t be that difficult to let us download sounds that we have purchased from their own iTunes Store to our Mac’s? I might email then and ask but I’m guessing that won’t help as they don’t like getting suggestions. And I’m not sure what email address to use. On 13/03/2020, at 03:33, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi, A year or so ago, I did some research on this. Supposedly it works. So, I migrated my tones I use on my iPad and iPhone over to the Mac and placed them into the specific location where the Mac grabs these sound files from when making Mail or Message alerts. You'll note that I'm being fairly vague in my description and this is purposeful. The specific location is deeper in the System and is not usually accessed by the day-to-day user. I can't remember for sure, but I may have even needed to disable System Integrity Protection to do it. After all this, it still didn't work. The tone choices did appear in Messages for me, but when I chose them, they did not play. I either got no sound at all, or it switched back to the default alert sound. Again, I'm not positive. I gave up for now. So, essentially, it's supposed to be possible, not for the faint of heart, and not necessarily a successful venture. Maybe I'll take a look at it again in Catalina in a bit, but wouldn't hold much stock in success. Later... Tim Kilburn Jamf Certified Tech Apple Teacher (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Mar 11, 2020, at 22:36, Bradford Snyder <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: So, can you explain how to do this. - Brad - On Mar 11, 2020, at 19:50, Jonathan Cohn <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Well, one can certainly add sounds to Mail rules. I don't know if they need to be a specific type or not. Traditionally, Mac system sounds were AIFF files, but I expect that the there is a bit more flexibility these days. -- The following information is important for all members of the Mac Visionaries list. 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