Hello Janina, I’m having a big grin on my face as I’m reading your very informative but also witty response. Fabulous! In these tense times, any amount of humour is precious.
Take care Andrew > On 30 Mar 2020, at 05:48, 'Janina Sajka' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi, Andrew: > > Glad to hear you're giving the CLI the old college try. Hope it becomes > a very comfortable environment for you! > > I want to suggest it's important you focus on zsh as Apple now defaults > to zsh. > > https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208050 > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208050>. > > Since you're a beginning command line user, you don't want to waste time > learning something you would need to unlearn soon. While bash isn't all > that different, it's different enough yours truly has yet to take the > plunge herself. But, that's my problem. I'm just saying don't make it > your problem. > > To check which shell you're using type: > > env |grep -i shell > > Unpacking the above command for you: > > env is shorthand for "environment. Type just 'env' plus return to learn > about your environment. > > The vertical bar, which is entered by shift-backslash, the key > immediately above return, is known in the cli world as the pipe symbol. > In our example above it indicates that the output of the 'env' command > is to be run through a second command, grep. > > grep is an ancient Unixism better known to the unwashed as find. > Literally, it derives from "get repetition." If you hear someone saying, > "grep" in ordinary conversation, they might be showing off or something. > > The dash i means ignore case as you look through the output of the env > command. > > Lastly, the word we're looking for, 'shell' is entered in our command. > > Thus, the voluminous output of env is reduced to the one item you're > interested in. > > If the answer is something other than: > > SHELL=/bin/zsh > > Stop everything you're doing and switch to zsh by simply typing zsh and > pressing return. > > You'll notice your ordinary user gives you the percentage symbol as your > shell prompt. That's yet another way to know you're in zsh. > > To make the change permanent do: > > chsh /bin/zsh > > You guessed it, 'chsh' means "change shell." > > PS: One kind of snobish impercation involving the pipe symbel and > understandable by programmers and > other cli mayvens is to say: "Pipe it to dev null." > > If you should enter: > > ls -l /dev/null > > You'll discover a writable/readable device (that's the crw' part) > called, "null." As you might guess, 'null' is nothing, nowhere. It's > were garbage goes when programming. > > So, the impercation is a more polite way of saying: "go to h**l." > > PPS: Your zsh skills are transferrable. You can use them on any Unix > like system, including Linux. > > Best, > > Janina > > > 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries writes: >> Jonathan, >> >> You are so kind. Thank you for your response. I’m new to the command line, >> but I’m very serious in learning. So your kind attitude and response in >> non-technical terms is very welcome. As to the 2nd point, I was surprised >> because I’m following Joe Kissel’s from TitBits Take Control of the Command >> Line in Mac OS book and that’s what he recommends: use of the tab key. >> >> If you were happy/had the time to point me towards any materials on command >> line/linux, i’d be very grateful. Or if you know of anyone who’d be happy >> to give some tutorials on Linux, paid of course, I’d appreciate that too. >> >> With best wishes >> >> Andrew >>> On 29 Mar 2020, at 20:14, Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Well, for the first question just interact a few times with the window and >>> you should be able to use the voiceover cursor to review and select things. >>> VO-return should start selecting and vo-return a second time should finish >>> the selection operation. Also, double tapping with mouse will select a >>> word. I thought that triple tapping would select a line but had no luck >>> with that. Of course make sure your mouse is where your VO cursor is before >>> using the VO shift space to do the tapping. >>> >>> Your second question was related to file completion. >>> This might depend on the shell you are using accounts created in Mojave or >>> earlier use bash and Catalina created account default to zsh. Also, it >>> will depend on what the behavior is for partial completions. If you have >>> the files >>> dar1 dar2 dar3 and dar4 >>> Pressing d followed by escape will fill in "dar" and then I believe beep. >>> If you press tap a second time then you should get a list of possible >>> matches. Note this behavior is strictly related to the shell you are >>> running and its options set in the shell default / profile / login files. >>> Jonathan >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:21 AM, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com><mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> When working in Terminal and command line, is it possible to examine the >>>> window content with Voiceover? Say , ls -l command produces a list of >>>> files in the directory I am in. How can I examine each file and maybe >>>> even copy their names to clipboard or details about them if I were to use >>>> the -l flag, which would produce long information about each item. >>>> >>>> Secondly, reading a book on Command Line, one of the shortcut techniques >>>> the author teaches is to start typing the name of a directory to which one >>>> wishes to change and then pressing tab, which would result in Terminal >>>> completing the name or else giving a list of available names if there >>>> should be more than one. This doesn’t seem to work. When I press the tab, >>>> I hear the ominous bong bong. So this technique doesn’t work. 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