I agree, I got it from you tubers and I should have thought a little before using it here. Sorry.
I have MBP 2016 15” and sometimes it is sluggish also. I don’t know whether they fixed it on more recent devices or not. I’m curious to know how it performs on M1 devices since they are more responsive in general. I hope the performance issues (related to accessibility in general) are solved to some extent. I’ve just thought of an idea to make VoiceOver usage better on touch devices and I will just send it to Apple accessibility team hoping they will consider it seriously. This discussion inspired me. Thank you so much, Regards, Mohamed E. Fayed > On Dec 9, 2020, at 2:48 PM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Hi Mohammed, > > Hated is too strong a word. It’s just inconvenient. And yes, for the reason > you describe. I like the contextuality of the touch bar, and understand why > Apple may have thought it a cool and innovative thing. But on my 2017 Macbook > Pro, it’s response is sluggish. I have to rub my finger around a bit, and > often have to tap more than once to get it to activate. A simple keystroke, > though less contextualized, would be much more efficient. The only place > where I think the touch bar actually saves time is when I’m using imogis. > It’s much easier to select an imogi with the touch bar, than to bring up that > table and select one there. > 😊 > Cheers, > Donna > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 8, 2020, at 10:39 PM, Muhammad Fayed <m10fa...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Regarding the Touch Bar, mentioned earlier in the conversation >> >> 1. On windows, with NVDA, you can Toggl keyboard help (or whatever its name) >> that tells what’s under your finger. I use it with NVDA + 1, and search for >> volume up (for example), then Toggle it back off, and press the volume up. >> >> To make things faster, I try where are these buttons relative to numbers. It >> works for me because I depend mainly no F.J keys to know where am I on the >> keyboard. >> >> 2. There are no design changes in current version of M1 Macs (just to >> illustrate clearly the difference between Intel and Apple Silicon). >> >> 3. Could you please explain why it is hated? It’s better for me because I >> don’t need to remember which button does what on specific application or >> when we press/ not press function key. >> >> May be because it is slower in performing basic tasks like increasing >> volume, play/pause music, adjust brightness, ….etc??? >> >> And thank you again Joseph for the review. 😊 >> >> HTH, >> >> Regards, >> >> Mohamed E. Fayed >> >>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 2:54 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Joe, >>> >>> What do you mean by side loading? How does one do that? >>> TIA, >>> Donna >>> >>> >>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 2:59 PM, joseph hodge <josephlho...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I just side loaded Bard Mobile and it works listened to 3 chapters in a >>>> book. This is cool previously I was using Airfoil and airfoil satellite to >>>> broadcast to my Mac from my iPhone. It could be the fact I had my iPhone >>>> connected to my Mac but battery has dropped a little quicker today my >>>> assumption being that maybe because I'm running apps not optimized for the >>>> Mac. >>>> >>>> I did try a Blind Fold game and it behaved poorly. I think do to gestures >>>> not caring over between the two Voiceovers could be a reason. For some >>>> reason I wasn’t able to choose a different voice from the default and >>>> couldn’t speed them up. Once playing the game voices started sounding >>>> strange. I believed this is do to Mac system voices maybe. It wasn’t. A >>>> good experience. >>>> >>>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 2:04 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se >>>>> <mailto:and...@pipkrokodil.se>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> Wow! >>>>> That’s interesting. >>>>> I am a bit curious about how it would be to run Ipad apps on the Mac. >>>>> /A >>>>> >>>>>> 8 dec. 2020 kl. 18:54 skrev Jonathan Cohn <jon.c.c...@gmail.com >>>>>> <mailto:jon.c.c...@gmail.com>>: >>>>>> >>>>>> John Grouber of Daring Fireball fame has said that with his M1 MacBook >>>>>> Pro, he could only get the fan to come on when he had 50 Google Chrome >>>>>> tabs open, and was doing video processing. He was so surprised by this >>>>>> that he contacted others with review products to make sure his system >>>>>> did not have a broker heat sensor. >>>>>> His pod cast discussing is at: >>>>>> The Talk Show: 'A Craptastic Craptacular' - Daring >>>>>> Fireballdaringfireball.net › linked › 2020/11/23 › the-talk-sho… >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjn-5LQ977tAhURGVkFHTIxDpEQFjAAegQIBBAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdaringfireball.net%2Flinked%2F2020%2F11%2F23%2Fthe-talk-show-301&usg=AOvVaw3tVL2vlEoLLuI90mAUwmuU> >>>>>> >>>>>> Or in text form at: >>>>>> https://daringfireball.net/2020/12/m1_macs_truth_and_truthiness >>>>>> <https://daringfireball.net/2020/12/m1_macs_truth_and_truthiness> >>>>>> (Don't blame me for the titles that John uses) >>>>>> Also, David Woodbridge talked about never getting a busy while testing >>>>>> his M1 machine with for Vision Australia. >>>>>> >>>>>> In conclusion, unless you are doing A/V encoding or trying to compile >>>>>> your own version of Firefox, the performance between the Air and the Pro >>>>>> is not noticeable. One thing I am not sure about, is if the USB-C ports >>>>>> are equivalent between the two systems. the PRO can support the Apple >>>>>> $8000 display, and I don't remember that being mentioned for the Air. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best wishes, >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan Cohn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 12:22, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's interesting. I had an Air, then upgraded to the Pro, and have >>>>>>> since wished I'd just stuck with the Air. I would go with the 512, so >>>>>>> that would give me the extra core. Kind of leaning that way at the >>>>>>> moment. >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:16 AM, joseph hodge <josephlho...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Cheapest air also only has a 7 core processor which again may or >>>>>>>> may not affect anything. If you step up to the 512 version they do >>>>>>>> give you the extra core so you have the 8. I wanted to go fanless but >>>>>>>> decided ultimently to go with the pro. The Touch Bar doesn’t bother me >>>>>>>> to much I can work around it. It was a bigger deal in Bootcamp but now >>>>>>>> we can’t do that anyway lol. Probably the air would work for me but I >>>>>>>> still have really bad reservations due to the fact that the air used >>>>>>>> to give me busy busy and get so hot LOL. If you decide to get one let >>>>>>>> me know what you decide it's pretty cool the battery life is >>>>>>>> unbelievable! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 11:22 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's what I've gathered too. But there must be some reason why they >>>>>>>>> put a fan in one and not the other. >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From what I have read, the only real difference in the M1 MacBook >>>>>>>>>> Air and M1 MacBook Pro, other than physical function keys vs the >>>>>>>>>> TouchBar, is that the M1 MacBook Pro has a cooling fan, while the M1 >>>>>>>>>> MacBook Air does not. >>>>>>>>>> The absence of a fan can affect the MacBook Air’s performance when >>>>>>>>>> doing processor intensive tasks, which may or may not be a concern >>>>>>>>>> depending on how one intends to use their MacBook computer. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Brad - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 09:15, Greg Wocher <gtwoc...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:gtwoc...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>> The new MacBook Pro still has the Touch Bar. The only MacBook >>>>>>>>>> without it is the MacBook Air. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Greg Wocher >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nice video, Joe. Thanks for doing this. I've been on the fence >>>>>>>>>>> about whether to upgrade my Mac or my iPad. I tend to think of my >>>>>>>>>>> Mac as a work device and my iPad as a fun device, so was glad to >>>>>>>>>>> see you focus on how iPad apps work on the Mac >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> One question. Does the 13-inch pro have a touch bar oor function >>>>>>>>>>> keys? If I upgrade my Mac, I'm determined to lose the touch bar. lol >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 8, 2020, at 5:57 AM, joseph hodge <josephlho...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:josephlho...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I thought you guys may be interested to hear some performance of >>>>>>>>>>>> my MacBook Pro M1. >>>>>>>>>>>> The battery life on this thing is amazing I woke up today and it's >>>>>>>>>>>> still at 54% and I used it all day yesterday! 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