Sorry I completely disagree with statements like "it causes problems when" etc. 
It's clear to me that certain individuals are not using it for when it is 
required.

It's best to use it only when you have too, not all the time.

It is also best to enable it in your rotor so you can easily get to it when you 
need to turn it on or off.

Finally, try using it for instance in an app like Telegram. Without it, the app 
is virtually useless, but with it, the app becomes far more accessible and you 
can perform functions easily.

Statements like that it causes problems etc is, in my opinion, a very open one 
and it's important to actually only use it when you need to and to have it 
turned off for most other situations, not have it turned on all the time. This 
feature was never designed for that.

Thanks,

Marco

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On 
Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Monday, 11 January 2021 5:16 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Strange focus/reading problems in Safari on my iphone

I have to agree with Brett hear about the screen recognition feature. I have 
found it to do nothing but cause problems with apps and Safari. It may have a 
future but currently it really screws up the performance of apps and the 
Internet. I would definitely try turning it off completely from within 
voiceover/voice recognition settings. Image descriptions on the other hand are 
somewhat useful and don’t cause performance problems at all.

Sent from my IPhone


> On Jan 10, 2021, at 11:15 AM, Brett Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Do you have the screen recognition turned on by any chance?
> This is under settings accessibility voiceover and voiceover recognition.
> Make sure it’s turned off for safari. I should note you can add it to the 
> rotor and then turn it on for each app as you move, I just don’t know if it’s 
> part of your rotor.
> Hope that helps.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 10, 2021, at 1:45 AM, 'Catherine Turner' via MacVisionaries 
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm having a weird problem with safari on my iphone which basically 
>> makes safari unusable.  When I try to edit/type a web address, VO 
>> does not read the keyboard, though I'm told by a sighted person that 
>> it's there - VO just makes those sounds on it like it does when 
>> there's nothing on the screen.  Even if I double tap where the keys 
>> show, nothing appears in the address bar.  Additionally, the buttons 
>> at the bottom of safari for "back", "forward", "bookmarks" e.t.c. are 
>> just announced by VO as "left arrow" for back, "right arrow" for 
>> forward and nothing at all except "tab" for the others - it calls them "tab"
>> instead of "button" like it does normally.  Apparently the icons for 
>> those buttons do look different to normal.
>> 
>> If I view a page via the gmail app - where it opens the link kind of 
>> in safari within gmail - all is normal and fine.  But if I press that 
>> button which says "open in safari" it goes to the normal safari and 
>> goes wrong/odd again.
>> 
>> I tried closing all the tabs, quitting and restarting safari, 
>> restarting my phone and restarting VO which made no difference.
>> 
>> Does this ring any bells for anyone?
>> 
>> I checked to see if there any ios updates available and there aren't.
>> The only other thing I can think of that might have made a difference 
>> was that yesterday, in between the time safari was working normally 
>> and when it started behaving oddly, I put in a lightning to 3.5mm 
>> adapter to use some earphones.  When I put it in, the phone asked me 
>> whether this accessory was to use headphones and I said yes.  It also 
>> said something about being able to change this option later somewhere.
>> I'm no longer using the adapter as I was borrowing it for a few hours.
>> But I'm wondering if somehow that made safari go wrong.  But I can't 
>> find where to change that option - have looked everywhere I can think 
>> and searched in settings.  Perhaps anything relating to that adapter 
>> would only appear when I connect it again.  I'm going to borrow it 
>> again but has anyone any idea where I'd look for info about/to change 
>> options relating to that adapter?
>> 
>> If not, I guess it's a phone reset...
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Catherine
>> 
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