The sliders help you hide things as well. Keep in mind, though, hiding everything is not necessarily a good thing. The mailbox list and Favorites bar are very useful.
Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > On Jan 12, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Steve Matzura <numb...@noisynotes.com> wrote: > > Apparently it's more than just hiding things. The vertical and horizontal > sliders have to be positioned just right, or the Option-Up/Down Arrow keys > don't work right. The horizontal position has to be at 100%, so saith a > friend of mine who's quite Mac-savvy. > > > > On 1/12/2021 4:44 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> You can hide some of the items from the view menu of Mail. I’m not sure >> exactly how much can be done, but it’s a good place to start. >> >> >> Take Care >> >> John D. Panarese >> Director >> Mac for the Blind >> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> >> >> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >> >> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >> >> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Steve Matzura <numb...@noisynotes.com >>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm also interested in eliminating screen clutter for a partially sighted >>> user, but yes, the shortcut keys are definitely the way to go for Mac Mail. >>> For instance, while we don't care whether bookmarks are shown or not in >>> Safari, they do take up some screen real-estate for sighted users. >>> Eliminating that panel improved a partially-sighted user's use of Safari >>> greatly when I explained how to get rid of that ever-growing list and give >>> them back some screen space. Same with Mail. If I knew what sidebars and >>> such could be closed for a partially sighted user to get more on their >>> screen, I'd recommend it. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/12/2021 1:16 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>>> Yes, this is correct. Also, one doesn’t need to concern themselves >>>> with the various bars and such. It’s like any Windows mail client. You >>>> only need to navigate the mailboxes and the message table, and this is >>>> done with simple keyboard commands. Again, like any screen reader, if you >>>> know the shortcuts, you can avoid getting lost or dealing with areas of >>>> the screen that are not important. >>>> >>>> >>>> Take Care >>>> >>>> John D. Panarese >>>> Director >>>> Mac for the Blind >>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com <mailto:j...@macfortheblind.com> >>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> >>>> >>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >>>> >>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>>> >>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 1:12 PM, Greg Wocher <gtwoc...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:gtwoc...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> I use command plus option plus up or down arrows to move to the top or >>>>> bottom of the list of messages. I find that >>>>> option plus the arrow keys does not work. >>>>> >>>>> Greg Wocher >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 12, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Steve Matzura <numb...@noisynotes.com >>>>>> <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not a major Mac user. In particular, I don't use Safari or Mail. I >>>>>> prefer the user experience provided by other operating systems and >>>>>> screenreaders. However, last night I had to work on someone's Mac that >>>>>> was having email problems. I ironed out the problems, but along the way, >>>>>> discovered that Mail was not set up optimally for use with VoiceOver. >>>>>> Specifically, I couldn't use Option-Up/Down Arrow keys to get to the top >>>>>> and bottom of the messages table, and there are a lot of sidebars and >>>>>> other views that are open which to me seem needless and cluttery. I look >>>>>> at this AppleVis article >>>>>> <https://www.applevis.com/guides/macs-mail-app-explained> which was >>>>>> helpful in certain ways but did not address any of the things mentioned >>>>>> above despite it having been written in 2014 and updated just last week. >>>>>> Can someone amplify or further explain some of these things? In >>>>>> particular, moving through the messages table a page at a time or >>>>>> getting to the top/bottom of said table would be quite helpful, as one >>>>>> such table in one mailbox folder has over 2000 messages in it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The following information is important for all members of the Mac >>>>>> Visionaries list. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or >>>>>> if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the >>>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Your Mac Visionaries list moderator is Mark Taylor. 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