No matter what I do, I cannot open the context menu for any item on the dock. It just goes back to the finder, unless voiceover is reporting it wrong, I guess I could try control clicking with the trackpad on my laptop but for the mac minis, nothing works.
> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:11 PM, Cara Quinn <modelc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I may not be understanding this issue but I’ve just opened a context menu on > a dock item (using control click) and then used enter to access an option. > > Enter seems to consistently work once a context menu is open. Are others not > seeing this? > > My apologies if I have misunderstood or have missed the point. > > Cheers! > > Cara > > > >> On Mar 2, 2021, at 7:26 AM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net> wrote: >> >> From my experience, I have had no problem opening the shortcut menu for a >> Dock item using VO + Shift +M.. The real problem is accessing a selection >> from a shortcut menu. >> In the beginning of this issue, routing the mouse pointer to the desired >> menu item, and then performing a mouse click on the trackpad worked in most >> situations. However, since the 11.2 update, this work-around no longer >> performs as it once did in the prior 11.1 update. There has been no change >> with the 11.2.2 update as well. >> This situation is both disappointing and unacceptable. >> >> - Brad - >> >> >> On Mar 2, 2021, at 02:36, Jürgen Fleger <mailinglis...@fleger.net> wrote: >> >> I only found one real solution to this issue: >> Navigate to an element in the Dock. >> Switch off Trackpad Commander. >> Route mouse pointer to VO by pressing VO + CMD + F5. Pressing FN >> additionally probably would be necessary in most cases. >> Hold down CTRL and press down Trackpad with one finger. Means perform a real >> right click. >> If I do so the known context menu opens reliably on my Mac. All other >> suggestions didn’t work more than ones. >> All the best >> Jürgen >> >> >>> Am 02.03.2021 um 06:39 schrieb Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net>: >>> >>> I don’t find that using the Actions Menu helps get around any of the Big >>> Sur Dock access issues. >>> Maybe I’m missing something here. >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> >>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 18:51, John Panarese <jpanar...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Which can be done via the Action Menu with ease. >>> >>> >>> Take Care >>> >>> John D. Panarese >>> Director >>> Mac for the Blind >>> Tel, (631) 724-4479 >>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com >>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com >>> >>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer >>> >>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE >>> >>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Adding items to the Dock never has been a problem in Big Sur. The problem >>>> is accessing and working with the shortcut menu for Dock items in Big Sur. >>>> >>>> - Brad - >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 18:36, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I wonder if this person even tried a mac. Yes, there was an issue with >>>> disk utility in the big sur recovery and I agree that this should have >>>> never been released, but it is fixed now. I'm wondering what tasks the >>>> author of this article wants to perform but is unable to do. There is >>>> still an issue with adding and removing items from the dock using the >>>> keyboard but that's not voiceover related directly. >>>> >>>>> On Mar 1, 2021, at 6:48 AM, kliph miller Sr <kliph.miller...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> It’s clear to me about this article 2 things. >>>>>> 1. This is a windows user >>>>>> 2. They haven’t done there homework. >>>>>> Note: I am not the author of this article! >>>>>> >>>>>>> Introduction >>>>>>> The modern era has brought many advantages for those who are blind or >>>>>>> visually impaired. One of the most important tools a blind user uses >>>>>>> with modern computing devices is a screen reader. Traditionally, screen >>>>>>> readers have been very expensive third-party programs that were very >>>>>>> difficult to obtain depending on one’s financial status. However, >>>>>>> several free yet capable screen readers have emerged in the last 20 >>>>>>> years. The two that we will be discussing are Apple’s VoiceOver for >>>>>>> macOS and the Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for Windows. Both are >>>>>>> powerful screen readers in their own right, but they have their >>>>>>> strengths and weaknesses which I will discuss in more detail. Hopefully >>>>>>> by the end of this article, you will have a better understanding of >>>>>>> each product and its individual strengths/weaknesses. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> NVDA >>>>>>> Nonvisual Desktop Access or NVDA for short is a free and open source >>>>>>> screen reader for the Microsoft Windows operating system. The >>>>>>> organization behind the project is an Australian company called NV >>>>>>> Access (www.nvaccess.org). It has been around since 2006 and primarily >>>>>>> competes with the JAWS for Windows screen reader produced by Freedom >>>>>>> Scientific or Vispero as they are now known by. It offers many of the >>>>>>> same features that JAWS offers and should be suitable for 99% of screen >>>>>>> reader users. The philosophy behind NVDA is extremely compelling. It is >>>>>>> offered free of charge to anyone in the world, meaning there is no >>>>>>> longer a financial barrier for blind people to work, learn, or do >>>>>>> anything else on a computer. NV Access does rely on donations, either >>>>>>> from individuals or grants from large companies, so if you can donate, >>>>>>> it is very much worth it to help this amazing project continue long >>>>>>> into the future. The obvious benefit is that a blind person can compete >>>>>>> on a level playing field with sighted peers at no more cost than anyone >>>>>>> else. Updates to NVDA are also free, and NV Access releases 3-4 updates >>>>>>> per year that fix bugs and add new features. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since NVDA is open source, anyone is free to review the source code and >>>>>>> propose changes. While anyone can propose a change and submit code, >>>>>>> it’s still reviewed and approved by NV Access before it is included in >>>>>>> anything anyone can download. This ensures the security of the software >>>>>>> from unauthorised changes and means that the final product available >>>>>>> from https://www.nvaccess.org/ is just as secure and well vetted as the >>>>>>> closed source from another company. Thousands of people from all over >>>>>>> the world constantly contribute to the project which benefits everyone >>>>>>> in the end. NVDA is a screen reader made for the blind by the blind. NV >>>>>>> Access is overseen by a board of directors (of whom at least 33% must >>>>>>> be blind or vision impaired, according to their constitution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> VoiceOver >>>>>>> VoiceOver is Apple’s built-in and the only screen reader for the Mac. >>>>>>> It has been around since 2005, although the last significant update was >>>>>>> in 2011 with Mac OS X Lion. VoiceOver works well with Apple’s built-in >>>>>>> apps and used to be very reliable. Since it is built into the system, >>>>>>> anyone can walk up to a Mac running a modern version of macOS and get >>>>>>> it talking by pressing Command+F5. Apple should be commended for >>>>>>> building a very capable screen reader into the system and showing the >>>>>>> rest of the world that it is possible to build very robust >>>>>>> accessibility features into mainstream products. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As previously mentioned, however, VoiceOver is not as reliable as it >>>>>>> could or should be. Apple has not made significant changes in nearly a >>>>>>> decade, and bugs are rarely if ever fixed. Issues have piled up over >>>>>>> the years and the experience, while still good, is far from >>>>>>> satisfactory depending on the tasks you wish to do. The latest trend >>>>>>> appears to be introducing bugs that make certain things unusable. For >>>>>>> example, there is a bug in macOS Big Sur where VoiceOver crashes when >>>>>>> opening the Disk Utility application in macOS Recovery mode. This is >>>>>>> absolutely unacceptable and would be fixed promptly if it was impacting >>>>>>> sighted users, yet someone somewhere decided it was okay to release >>>>>>> with this broken feature for blind users. This goes against Apple’s >>>>>>> commitment to accessibility and the high standard of quality many would >>>>>>> associate with the company. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because VoiceOver is part of the system, you must wait for Apple to >>>>>>> update the system to see if anything has been added or fixed. Since >>>>>>> Apple’s operating systems are not open source, this means Apple is the >>>>>>> only one that can maintain the screen reader. The fact they are not is >>>>>>> very sad, as VoiceOver has the potential to do many great things if the >>>>>>> appropriate resources were dedicated to it. Perhaps the reason for this >>>>>>> neglect is the extreme popularity of Apple’s mobile iOS devices, as >>>>>>> VoiceOver on that platform is constantly refined. We may never know, as >>>>>>> Apple is very tight-lipped and secretive when it comes to their future >>>>>>> developments. Unlike the open communication and collaboration model >>>>>>> with NV Access, Apple does not communicate with the disability >>>>>>> community. Again, this is most likely due to the secretive nature of >>>>>>> the company, but things would probably be much better if Apple >>>>>>> employees were willing and/or able to speak openly about accessibility >>>>>>> with the users they serve. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Conclusion >>>>>>> I have done my best to outline the major differences between NVDA on >>>>>>> Windows and VoiceOver on the Mac. While both products are good, I >>>>>>> personally lean in favor of NVDA. Microsoft Windows is by far the most >>>>>>> popular system in the world, and NVDA is a great tool in the toolbox. >>>>>>> Its open source nature is a major plus and means the innovation and >>>>>>> ability to keep up with the ever increasing changes in Windows is >>>>>>> almost certain. In contrast, Apple’s neglect has turned me personally >>>>>>> away from the Mac. I do not recommend people invest in Macs anymore >>>>>>> either, as it has been clear for many years that Apple’s focus is on >>>>>>> iOS. While it’s sad these events have transpired, we must never forget >>>>>>> or disrespect the work Apple has done. Apple is a pioneer in the realm >>>>>>> of mainstream accessibility, and now everyone else including Microsoft >>>>>>> is trying to catch up. 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