Hi Tim, Thanks very much for this information. Score one for the M1. I will have to try that sometime. Definitely a great step forward. Best regards, Les
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2021, at 11:40 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > This is indeed the case. I tested the procedure on an M1 MacBook Air. > > • hold down the power button through the startup chime plus an additional 8 > seconds or so. > • cmd-f5 to turn on VO. > • interact with the Startup Options window. > • interact with the Macintosh HD area. > • hold down the shift eky to change the “Continue" to “Continue in Safe Mode” > and press return. > > The M1 Mac will think about it, then restart. Wait a bit, then press cmd-f5, > or triple-press the power button while holding down the cmd key on an M1 MBP, > to turn on VoiceOver. If the Login screen is visible, VO will announce Safe > Boot as the first item in the Login window. > > This is indeed exciting. As a VO user, in the past, the Boot Picker and Safe > Mode were not accessible to VO users, but you can now access the Boot Picker, > Safe Boot mode, as well as previously accessible Recovery mode features. > Great news. > > Later… > > > Tim Kilburn > Jamf Certified Tech > Apple Professional Learning Specialist > Apple Teacher > (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > >> On Jun 9, 2021, at 3:57 PM, Matthew Janusauskas <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> It’s my pleasure Tim. It’s great to see that it appears Apple has improved >> the accessibility of the process significantly. >> >> >>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 4:00 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Yes, I guess that it is possible. The M1 architecture is different than >>> that of the Intel and thus they may have improved that functionality. >>> Thanks for the heads-up, I’ll look into using VO in Safe mode on one of the >>> M1’s here. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Jamf Certified Tech >>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>> Apple Teacher >>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 2:41 PM, Matthew Janusauskas <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Tim, >>>> >>>> Is it possible that safe mode functions differently on M1 machines? I >>>> followed the steps I found via Google search that involved booting to the >>>> startup / recovery menu, selecting the normal startup drive and holding >>>> down the Shift key to make the Continue button change to continue in safe >>>> mode. The system then started with what seemed to be a minimal state >>>> without any usual startup apps etc. Audio and VoiceOver was fully >>>> functional. >>>> >>>> Matthew >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 9:36 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Safe mode is not accessible to VO so I wouldn’t go there. The values are >>>>> definitely configurable in the regular GUI interface. >>>>> >>>>> Later… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:40 AM, Caitlyn Furness <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you outline the steps to boot up into safe mode and then change the >>>>>> sleep values, please? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Cait >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 11:37 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only way I was able to change the display sleep value in battery >>>>>>> preferences and get it to stick was to boot into safe mode and do it >>>>>>> from there. I’ve never had to do that before. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:19 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There usually is not a lock in this pane, but maybe take a look down >>>>>>>> near the bottom of this pane and see if there’s the lock to unlock in >>>>>>>> order to make changes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 8, 2021, at 3:10 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the confirmation of the bug and advice on this. I’ve sent >>>>>>>>> a report via Feedback Assistant. >>>>>>>>> Just now when trying to follow your suggestions I’m finding the >>>>>>>>> controls in the battery preferences all to be dimmed out. A restart >>>>>>>>> didn’t make a difference either. Any other suggestions to try? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Matthew >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, that is a bug. I believe that I’ve reported it, although >>>>>>>>>> multiple reports is a good thing and often makes sure that things >>>>>>>>>> are addressed sooner. In the meantime, I will usually use the >>>>>>>>>> physical trackpad to accomplish this. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> • using VO, navigate to the slider. >>>>>>>>>> • interact with it. >>>>>>>>>> • press VO-cmd-f5 to route the mouse to the VO location. >>>>>>>>>> • click the trackpad once and it should announce 50%. This is too >>>>>>>>>> long in most cases. >>>>>>>>>> • click and hold and drag to the left very slowly and in small >>>>>>>>>> amounts. VO will announce the percentage. 20% is about 10 minutes >>>>>>>>>> and 50% is about 35 minutes. Normally, when on battery power, I >>>>>>>>>> wouldn’t recommend going above 30%. You can go longer when on power >>>>>>>>>> if you choose. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2021, at 12:36 PM, Matthew Janusauskas >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’ve noticed when trying to change the sleep timeout setting in >>>>>>>>>>> battery preferences on an M1 MacBook Pro the slider value I set >>>>>>>>>>> doesn’t tick and reverts to the minimum value. Any ideas on how to >>>>>>>>>>> fix that? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Matthew >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:36 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, that’s odd. That usually happens when an MDM, or some sort >>>>>>>>>>>> of Parental Controls has limited your access. I wouldn’t think >>>>>>>>>>>> that that is the case here. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Oh well, how about we come from another direction. In System >>>>>>>>>>>> Preferences, Desktop & Screen Saver, under the Screen Saver tab, >>>>>>>>>>>> make sure that the Screen Saver is set to some time further away, >>>>>>>>>>>> like 30 minutes to an hour. Also, in system Preferences, Battery, >>>>>>>>>>>> we’ll select Battery so we can check its settings. Make sure that >>>>>>>>>>>> it doesn’t go to sleep for 15 to 20 minutes when on battery and >>>>>>>>>>>> even longer when on power. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, exactly. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for all your help! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cait >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:28 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you went to system Preferences, Security & Privacy, pressed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Lock button, entered your password, pressed the Advanced >>>>>>>>>>>>>> button and the checkbox for logging out after so much time was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dimmed? Is that where you went and what you are saying is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dimmed? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, the choice for login options in the advanced tab was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dimmed.. I am really stumped! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cait >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 12:12 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you mean that the Advanced button is dimmed, then you need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to first click on the Lock button, then enter your password to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unlock the lock. Once it is unlocked, the Advanced button >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should no longer be dimmed. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:18 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s dimmed out.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cait >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 11:13 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacVisionaries <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In that same Security & Privacy window, unlock the lock, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then press the Advanced button. Check if it is set to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logout after a certain amount of inactivity. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:09 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That button was unchecked.. not sure what to do from here.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caitlyn from rainy Ontario >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:57 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacVisionaries <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It sounds like you have the "Require password after sleep >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or screen saver checkbox” checked. You can find this in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> System Preferences, Security & Privacy, in under the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> General tab. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 8:26 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s happening about every 5 mins after logging in. If I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am doing email it doesn’t interrupt, but if I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening to music, for example, it definitely does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interrupt. Totally annoying! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is happening across all users on this laptop.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cait >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 10:23 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MacVisionaries <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How often is this happening? That is, every minute or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so right after I get logged in, or after about 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minutes, 10 minutes, after I open the lid of the laptop? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just a bit more detail to figure out the best way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> forward. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 3, 2021, at 8:14 AM, Caitlyn Furness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am having issues on my Mac.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically, the login window for the current user keeps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> popping up. 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