Stand-alone apps. One time purchases.
Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, [email protected] Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > On Jul 2, 2021, at 4:00 PM, <[email protected]> <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Okay, are these subscription based aps or stand alone apps? > The pricing is very reasonable. > > From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On > Behalf Of John Panarese > Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:58 PM > To: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files > > Abby FineReader Pro is only $99 and Prizmo is somewhere around $69.00. > > > Take Care > > John D. Panarese > Director > Mac for the Blind > Tel, (631) 724-4479 > Email, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com <http://www.macfortheblind.com/> > > APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer > > AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE > > MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT > > > > > >> On Jul 2, 2021, at 3:57 PM, <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Lack of an inexpensive OCR app for the Mac is why I will always use both >> Windows and Mac. >> >> >> From: [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Mary Otten >> Sent: Friday, July 2, 2021 3:49 PM >> To: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: How to Best Access PDF Files >> >> Hi Tim, related to accessing PDFs on a Mac, using the PDF pen that you >> mentioned, can you efficiently and successfully navigate tables and click on >> links that take you to websites or elsewhere within a PDF document? I am not >> using a Mac presently. One of the reasons I reluctantly went to windows 10 >> was because I was unable to find an efficient way of dealing with these >> kinds of PDF files. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:37 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Yes, Adobe is a subscription model. There’s both PDFPen and PDFPen Pro. >>> PEFPen is not as feature full, but has the OCR, is very accessible and a >>> really good package. No, neither are free, but the Pro version is more >>> expensive and probably has more features than you might need. There are >>> likely other packages out there to do the job, but this package has worked >>> well for me. >>> >>> Later… >>> >>> >>> Tim Kilburn >>> Jamf Certified Tech >>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>> Apple Teacher >>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 10:26 AM, Les Kriegler <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Tim, >>>> >>>> I did a search for a PDF pen but could not find it. I found PDF pen Pro >>>> but I don’t think I want that one. I just need something they can extract >>>> text and $80 doesn’t seem like a good idea for that. Can you suggest we >>>> are PDF and maybe located? I hope they still offer it. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>> <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Yes, acrobat is accessible, although I do find it rather cumbersome to >>>>> maneuver through. PDFPen or PDFPen Pro are much more voiceover friendly >>>>> and that's much easier to use. Neither are free though. >>>>> >>>>> Later… >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 9:26 AM, Les Kriegler <[email protected] >>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>> Yes, I did enable recognition. It read some gibberish, very little, >>>>>> though. I take it Acrobat works on the Mac? On my Windows machine, I >>>>>> have the Reader, and I used fJaws to extract text. If I recall, Acrobat >>>>>> Pro was a subscription service, but I could be mistaken. PDF Pen is a >>>>>> program I am not familiar with, but I’ll check it out. Thanks. >>>>>> Best Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Les >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 11:02 AM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Did you make sure that VoiceOver Recognition was enabled within the VO >>>>>>> Utility? If that is enabled, you should, at least, get VoiceOver to >>>>>>> announce that it is a document with text on it. Otherwise, apps like >>>>>>> Acrobat DC or PDFPen can do the OCR for you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Les Kriegler <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>>>> I followed your instructions. When I invoked the text recognition >>>>>>>> command, it reported no image description available. Was the Full N an >>>>>>>> app? Does this mean I can perform OCR on a pdf as can be done with >>>>>>>> Acrobat? Actually, in Windows, I used the Jaws facility to extract >>>>>>>> text that was identified as an empty document. My work space may not >>>>>>>> accommodate a scanner, so I would like to use software in these >>>>>>>> instances. Thanks. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Les >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 4:10 PM, 'Tim Kilburn' via MacVisionaries >>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Normally, you navigate to the Document area, interact with it, then >>>>>>>>> if it has multiple pages, they will be listed. Interact with the >>>>>>>>> page you wish to read and the text will be read by VO. If it >>>>>>>>> requires OCR, you can try pressing VO-shift-l to see if VO will read >>>>>>>>> it to you. If VO-shift-l does not work, first make sure that >>>>>>>>> VoiceOver Recognition is enabled in the VoiceOver Utility, then try >>>>>>>>> again. If it still doesn’t work for you, you may need to use full on >>>>>>>>> OCR like in Acrobat DC. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Later… >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Tim Kilburn >>>>>>>>> Jamf Certified Tech >>>>>>>>> Apple Professional Learning Specialist >>>>>>>>> Apple Teacher >>>>>>>>> (with Swift Playgrounds Recognition) >>>>>>>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 1, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Les Kriegler <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>>> I just received my first pdf file. I loaded it into Preview, but >>>>>>>>>> could not figure out how to access the text. Also, if it is an >>>>>>>>>> image, is there a way I can perform OCR on it without attaching a >>>>>>>>>> scanner? Is there a version of Acrobat Reader for the Mac which is >>>>>>>>>> worth accessing? 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