In addition, unless things have changed, I think you would be very disappointed if you go to an Apple Store for training. It is a very noisy environment and even if you can find someone know something about voiceover, I don’t think you’re going to get the results you desire by going there.
Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 28, 2022, at 6:13 PM, 'E.T.' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > An Apple store visit is fine but there is nothing ;like working with a > Voiceover user who uses VO day in day out. > > If you have sighted helper, yes you can turn VO off. > > From E.T.'s Keyboard... > "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible > will make violent revolution inevitable." > --John F. Kennedy > My e-Mail: > ancient.ali...@icloud.com > >> On 6/28/2022 2:26 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >> That is what an apple store is for. >> My first priority to be honest is getting a solid enough voice. >> The onboard tutorial is helping, but again I am far more used to greater >> keyboard dexterity, meaning I will make mistakes while trying to learn >> voiceover itself. >> Oh yet another question on that front. >> does voiceover have to be on to update the voices from compact to enhanced? >> Tim explained how it is done, cannot seem to get back there, but that can be >> a task for one of my mac using homemates, if I can turn off vo I mean. >>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022, E.T. wrote: >>> Karen, I would strongly suggest you put your focus solely on mastering >>> Voiceover before venturing into other areas. Get a handle on the Voiceover >>> commands as well as those the the standard Mac commands. >>> >>> Find a local Voiceover user and invite him/her to come over and work with >>> you. >>> >>> From E.T.'s Keyboard... >>> "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible >>> will make violent revolution inevitable." >>> --John F. Kennedy >>> My e-Mail: >>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com >>> >>> On 6/28/2022 1:49 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote: >>>> Well...apparently I must have missed a detail. >>>> going to the dock does not let you type a program name at all. It does >>>> put you on a list, but as I am still finding or configuring a solidly >>>> understandable voice, not all programs are well easy to follow. >>>> Again part of why I want to run text edit, typing practice that does not >>>> cause a problem. >>>> and on another note, there seem to be groups everywhere, >>>> Honestly I am working from the assumption that should I manage to launch >>>> text edit I would end up on a text field. >>>> I might add, that there is not a more fluid display layout...its quite >>>> frustrating when I cannot discover how to repeat what I just heard, and >>>> there is an identifier of a command I still cannot translate. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: >>>> >>>> > It’s the first thing on your Doc. Hit enter, on Finder, and you’re > >>>> > good to go.D >>>> > > > On Jun 27, 2022, at 21:30, Karen Lewellen >>>> > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> > > wrote: >>>> > > > > and just to confirm, the command to open the finder? >>>> > > > > > > > > On Mon, 27 Jun 2022, Herbie Allen wrote: >>>> > > > > > VO D is the Doc, VO Shift D is the Desktop. A lot of default >>>> > > > > > apps > > > are in the Doc, but if not, Open the finder and do a >>>> > > > > > Command shift > > > A. This will bring up the apps folder. You >>>> > > > > > can also use Siri to > > > open apps. >>>> > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 22:18, Karen Lewellen > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > I am not interested in running the terminal if voiceover >>>> > > > > > > > > is not > > > > 100% no idea how to even get there. >>>> > > > > Are applications normally in the docs? >>>> > > > > Something I read from another voiceover source suggested that > >>>> > > > > > > > vo-d just takes you to the desktop. >>>> > > > > Still want to access voiceover help keys and the like, which do >>>> > > > > > > > > not seem to be terminal associated. >>>> > > > > Likewise pages could serve the same typing practice goal. >>>> > > > > > > > > All of my Linux Ubuntu shell work is via a service, >>>> > > > > > > > > called > > > > shellworld, using my non Linux screen >>>> > > > > > > > > reader. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Jonathan Cohn wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > Hello, >>>> > > > > > If applications are in the dock then pressing the VO-D then the >>>> > > > > > > > > > > first few letters of the applications followed by >>>> > > > > > return will > > > > > launch the application. >>>> > > > > > Alternatively, you could use the open command in terminal. >>>> > > > > > open -a textedit >>>> > > > > > will open and activate the textedit application >>>> > > > > > open myDocument.txt >>>> > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the default application for that > >>>> > > > > > > > > > file >>>> > > > > > open -a textedit myDocument.txt >>>> > > > > > will open myDocument.txt in the textedit application >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Here is some more info: >>>> > > > > > joncohn@speedy ~ % >>>> > > > > > open: unrecognized option `--help' >>>> > > > > > Usage: open [-e] [-t] [-f] [-W] [-R] [-n] [-g] [-h] [-s >>>> > > > > > <partial > > > > > SDK name>][-b <bundle identifier>] [-a >>>> > > > > > <application>] [-u URL] > > > > > [filenames] [--args arguments] >>>> > > > > > Help: Open opens files from a shell. >>>> > > > > > By default, opens each file using the default application > >>>> > > > > > > > > > for that file. >>>> > > > > > If the file is in the form of a URL, the file will be > > > >>>> > > > > > > > opened as a URL. >>>> > > > > > Options: >>>> > > > > > -a Opens with the > > > > > specified >>>> > > > > > application. >>>> > > > > > -b Opens with the > > > > > specified >>>> > > > > > application bundle identifier. >>>> > > > > > -e Opens with > > > > > TextEdit. >>>> > > > > > -t Opens with default > > > > > text >>>> > > > > > editor. >>>> > > > > > -f Reads input from > > > > > standard >>>> > > > > > input and opens with TextEdit. >>>> > > > > > -F --fresh Launches the app fresh, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > that is, without restoring windows. Saved persistent state is > >>>> > > > > > > > > > lost, excluding Untitled documents. >>>> > > > > > -R, --reveal Selects in the Finder > > > > > >>>> > > > > > instead of opening. >>>> > > > > > -W, --wait-apps Blocks until the used > > > > > >>>> > > > > > applications are closed (even if they were already running). >>>> > > > > > --args All remaining > > > > > arguments are >>>> > > > > > passed in argv to the application's main() > > > > > function >>>> > > > > > instead of opened. >>>> > > > > > -n, --new Open a new instance of > > > > > the >>>> > > > > > application even if one is already running. >>>> > > > > > -j, --hide Launches the app hidden. >>>> > > > > > -g, --background Does not bring the application > > > > >>>> > > > > > > to the foreground. >>>> > > > > > -h, --header Searches header file > > > > > >>>> > > > > > locations for headers matching the given filenames, and opens > >>>> > > > > > > > > > them. >>>> > > > > > -s For -h, the SDK to > > > > > use; if >>>> > > > > > supplied, only SDKs whose names contain the argument > > > > > >>>> > > > > > value are searched. >>>> > > > > > Otherwise the > > > > > highest >>>> > > > > > versioned SDK in each platform is used. >>>> > > > > > -u, --url URL Open this URL, even if it > > > > > >>>> > > > > > matches exactly a filepath >>>> > > > > > -i, --stdin PATH Launches the application with > > > > >>>> > > > > > > stdin connected to PATH; defaults to /dev/null >>>> > > > > > -o, --stdout PATH Launches the application with > > > > >>>> > > > > > > /dev/stdout connected to PATH; >>>> > > > > > --stderr PATH Launches the application with > > > > >>>> > > > > > > /dev/stderr connected to PATH to >>>> > > > > > --env VAR Add an enviroment > > > > > variable >>>> > > > > > to the launched process, where VAR is formatted AAA=foo > > > > >>>> > > > > > > or just AAA for a null string value. >>>> > > > > > > > > > > Jonathan Cohn >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 26, 2022, at 19:57, >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karen Lewellen > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <klewel...@shellworld.net> wrote: >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi folks, >>>> > > > > > > One thing I am personally finding I seriously need is basic >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > keyboard typing practice. >>>> > > > > > > On my main computers, because I have been using them for so >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > many years, I am a swift typist who is very very >>>> > > > > > > very used > > > > > > to keeping my hands on the main >>>> > > > > > > keyboard and knowing where I > > > > > > am from a screen >>>> > > > > > > reader standpoint as well. >>>> > > > > > > I am personally feeling that some time with either textedit, >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > or pages, will let me just practice typing with >>>> > > > > > > no fear that I > > > > > > will set something off with the >>>> > > > > > > mac itself. >>>> > > > > > > I want to be so solid with my typing that entering my >>>> > > > > > > password > > > > > > without input will be effortless, I >>>> > > > > > > doubt I can turn off > > > > > > having to provide his for my >>>> > > > > > > apple ID for example. >>>> > > > > > > so, at this stage, what is the fastest way to load textedit? 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