Hi Michael, So if I go into keyboard help and press those keys—exactly as you describe—VO does say Home, End etc. But if I press FN plus an arrow key without the VO modifier while in a document, webpage etc,nothing happens. Cheers, Donna
> On Jan 8, 2023, at 11:23 AM, Michael Babcock <michael@payown.media> wrote: > > Hi Donna! > > To verify, when you press and hold FN, while pressing left or right in > keyboard help mode with VO+K your saying your computer doesn’t say home or > end unless you press the VO keys as well? > > That is strange, on this MacBook Air, I can do the following steps: > > 1. Press VO+K to enter keyboard help mode > 2. Press and hold the FN key, bottom left key > 3. While still pressing FN, press left or right and I hear Home or End > respectively. > > Have a beautiful day. > > >> On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:07 AM, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> Brad,. I am really tired of the obnoxious behavior you display on this list. >> Either learn to be civil, or get off the list. >> >> I can reproduce this behavior flawlessly, and without exception. Just >> pressing the FN key does NOTHING! So, you can be rude all you want, but I’m >> going to post my experience as there is probably someone else out there who >> experiences the same thing, as I don’t that my Mac is an anomaly. I don’t >> doubt that your Mac behaves as you describe, but mine, and undoubtedly >> others, do not. So please don’t dismiss what I write out of hand. >> Donna >> >>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Donna, >>> You can disagree all you want, but the VO key is not necessary to change >>> the behavior of the arrow keys when using the Fn key. >>> >>> - Brad - >>> >>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 10:11, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry, Brad, but I have to disagree. When I just press the FN key nothing >>> happens. When I press the VO modifier, the keys behave as you describe. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> >>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 9:27 AM, Bradford Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Changing the behavior of the arrow keys is not a function of VoiceOver, >>>> therefore it is not necessary to use the VO modifier in order to use the >>>> alternate actions of the arrow keys as described in my original response. >>>> You can test this by turning on Keyboard Help, then press the different >>>> arrow keys while holding down only the Fn key. >>>> Whether or not the VO modifier is used along with the Fn key makes no >>>> matter. The actions of the arrow keys will be the same. >>>> >>>> - Brad - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 8, 2023, at 08:55, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries >>>> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Just one addition to this, for me to use these commands, I also have to >>>> hold down the VO keys. So, VO-FN-right arrow for home, etc. >>>> Cheers, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>>> On Jan 7, 2023, at 4:59 PM, Bradford Snyder <wb...@swbell.net >>>>> <mailto:wb...@swbell.net>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If you hold down the Fn key, the arrow keys become the following: >>>>> Left Arrow becomes the Home key. >>>>> Right Arrow becomes the End key. >>>>> Up Arrow becomes the Page Up key. >>>>> Down Arrow becomes the Page Down key. >>>>> >>>>> HTH. >>>>> >>>>> - Brad - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 7, 2023, at 16:41, Kevin Gibbs <kevj...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:kevj...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Sometimes, I don’t have my full extended keyboard and have to type on >>>>> just my MacBook Pro keyboard. But I don’t have Page Up/Down or Home and >>>>> End keys. 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