Two keys if you use Caps lock. I thought this was something that would drive me crazy about the Mac, coming from a Windows background, but so what if we have to do an extra key. I don’t like it if I’m doing long term reading, but it helps if you think of it in terms of function. Press the key one way and it behaves differently. If you think about it though, it’s really a choice between extra keys and extra steps. On Mac, I can tab or VO right into an edit field with Quicknav off, and know that I can start typing. I can also skip over the field. Jaws, you have to find the edit field, then hit enter to go into Forms mode. You can also do an Insert Z to turn off the virtual cursor which is actually extra keys. Jaws does have the automatic forms field, but it has it’s issues which I won’t go into here.
> On Jan 26, 2023, at 11:43, 'Donna Goodin' via MacVisionaries > <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > But that’s a perfect example of what some of us are talking about. VO-right > is three keys, Tab is one. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a huge fan of Windows > or Microsoft. Mostly I much prefer the user experience on the Mac. I just > think there are certain things that can be done more efficiently on Windows > with JAWS. > Cheers, > Donna > > > >> On Jan 26, 2023, at 11:06 AM, Herbie Allen <herbie.al...@gmail.com >> <mailto:herbie.al...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> In Safari, you can always do VO Right instead of tab. >> >>> On Jan 26, 2023, at 10:55, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson0...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I’ll toss in something that has been consistent with VO recently. When >>> entering user name and passwords on web pages (both Safari and Edge) there >>> is a significant lag in speaking the titles to the edit fields. >>> >>> I tab to the first field and type my user name. Then tab to the password >>> field. VO speaks what I just typed, then the next field title, before >>> indicating a blank field. It is irritating because it slows things down. >>> >>> There are other instances with VO where a ghost word or phrase is spoken. >>> >>> I open a text file in a folder. Then close it. Then Cmd+tab back to Finder. >>> It reads the name of an adjacent folder before focusing on the list of >>> files in a completely different folder. Again irritating, and slow response. >>> >>> So in summary I would say that VO is less responsive and slow to find focus >>> than it used to be in earlier Mac OS versions. 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