That must be exactly why I don’t encounter the issue. I always use VO commands when reading text (either via keyboard or the braille display). So far as I remember, this is what the documentation recommends. Also, the command to move keyboard cursor to VO cursor is VO-Command-F4, just to be sure you’re trying the right function. Moving the mouse pointer there won’t do it.
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Brad Snyder <wb...@swbell.net> Date: Friday, September 8, 2023 at 09:35 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility You can avoid this issue by, after navigating to a Heading in an email message, rather than using arrow keys, use VO navigation to navigate from that point onward. - Brad - On Sep 8, 2023, at 07:50, 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> wrote: In Apple’s mail app, oftentimes in newslettters, when I jump to a heading or link using voiceover commands and then attempt to read the content underneath the heading with arrow keys, I find myself frustratingly at the beginning of the newsletter again. Even when I route mouse to voiceover I still don’t seem to be able to read from a particular heading onwards using arrow keys. Andrew On 8 Sep 2023, at 12:27, 'Jason J.G. White' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> wrote: I’ve successfully navigated headings, links, etc., in e-mail messages on the Mac, suing the usual Voiceover commands. So I don’t know what is causing your problems here. I agree that such navigation works well under Windows, until Microsoft Outlook crashes – then of course, one loses time restarting it, in some cases, having to repair the data file corruption, which is the very annoying aspect. Mozilla Thunderbird under Linux performs quite well for e-mail reading. From: 'Andrew Lamanche' via MacVisionaries <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> Date: Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 15:18 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com<mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>> Subject: Re: Concerned about the future Mac accessibility I agree and I use the same tactic: Windows is superior on web navigation and even email when it comes to newsletters where you can swiftly and reliably navigate through headings and links and activate them - a difficult if not impossible task in Apple mail. Andrew On 7 Sep 2023, at 18:32, lenron brown <lenro...@gmail.com<mailto:lenro...@gmail.com>> wrote: I hate web Browsing on the mac. Most other things I am good with. I use both platforms for different reasons, even having a 2023 MBP 14 with max chip. I still use my windows computers as my daily drivers. I like my mac for vocr and logic, and a few other things. Some things can just be slower on a mac when it comes to page navagation and a couple other things, I just would rather not deal with it. On 9/7/23, Mohamed Fayed <m10fa...@gmail.com<mailto:m10fa...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi, I’ve lately switched from 2016 15” MBP to 2023 M2Max 16””. The gain in performance is tremendous and you will notice it. For issues related to “mail is not responding”, it occurs when you make the exact keystrokes, but Voiceover continues within a significantly shorter duration. For web browsing, Safari nowadays is pretty bad. This is not related to VO. You may try Google Chrome or MS Edge instead. Windows on Apple Silicon is significantly faster. If there is a chance to get to Apple Silicon device, and try it yourself, that would be great. The issue that annoys me the most is VO stops talking. It is on Mac and iOS. I hope they fix it soon. Hope that helps, Mohamed E. Fayed On 7 Sep 2023, at 8:01 PM, Dave Carlson <dgcarlson0...@gmail.com<mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com>> wrote: My biggest gripe with Mac OS and VO is web browsing. It’s awful compared to Windows with JAWS or NNVDA. It is the main reason I would seriously consider going back to Windows if/when it’s time to get a new laptop. I use DuckDuckGo as my browser now to get away from that annoying “Safari is Busy” message that cripples my productivity. So I’m on the fence about switching back to Windows, but if VO on the Mac does not improve over time (and I doubt that it will) I might just flip a coin on the decision. Dave Carlson Woodworker, Musician, Oregonian, Engineer, Farfar dgcarlson0...@gmail.com<mailto:dgcarlson0...@gmail.com> On Sep 7, 2023, at 9:23 AM, Traci Duncan <our4p...@gmail.com<mailto:our4p...@gmail.com>> wrote: Hi all, it seems like we are having more than a few messages on this list about the disappointment in Mac’s VoiceOver performance. 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