lol, that made me chuckle a bit.
nfb have so many issues and I feel bad for the newly blinded who don't know
any better, but they can't f those who've been blind over. I walked out of
the training center in mississippi giving them the finger.
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From: "Charlie Doremus" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: What do you think?
I would also like to thank you, Nic, for saving my bacon. Like Anne I was
going to take issue with NFB and others who love to gripe for the sake of
griping. You saved me from being called tactless twice in the same week.
Even though I don't use Jaws the idea of uninstall, install, uninstall,
install, no matter what program, gives me the creeps.
Sent from the iPad I wish I had
On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello Nic,
Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant
along the same lines.
Cheers,
Anne
On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
Hi,
I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around
for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it.
Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed. The article
about the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much.
There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the
NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue
Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to
users using Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't
even review the product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more
than anyone for accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something
in store, and they sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty
serious statement. Of course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at
all. Saying that, NFB has made some seriously inaccurate statements as
well, far outweighing mine. NFB actually has no reason to sue Apple. What
would they sue them for, exactly? Because their products are accessible,
and they want everyone to pay more than what a Macbook costs for
assistive technology? That wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all
about competition. If they think they're about to be kicked out, of
course they would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple has done
something Microsoft has not. All these things sound really twisted and
disgusting to me.
Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with
iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous
suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case,
however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are
not anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about
that. Which, again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of
being kicked out, they do everything they can to stop people buying their
product. That would make sense.
Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I
suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you
even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous.
People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the
interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for
everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS,
or just Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's
stupidly difficult most of the time to reload the product. Even if you
manage to do so, you will probably run into the screen not being read
correctly when reading list boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case
scenario. You have to uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video
Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10
then reinstall JAWS 11.
Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the
ass. I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this
corrupt and twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper
look at what a company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative
about the NFB, though I am actually being neutral when talking about the
actual lawsuit itself.
Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone from
NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good
reviews. Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks
for filing unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a
childish tantrum here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A
company is trying to provide great accessibility for their products, and
they are sued because of one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on
the Windows side, people. Quit your darn nitpicking.
Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote:
I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is
accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the
agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a
question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks
Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three
year term is up? I apologize for making smooth waters mirky, I just
wanted to know what your take on this was.
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