I would be very interested to hear about your experiences. If you don't feel like posting all the details here, please email me off list. Thanks so much! Olivia
On Apr 15, 2010, at 2:10 PM, Carolyn wrote: > Olivia: > Yes, it's the store that's just a bus ride away.<grin> > I'm so ready! > > Carolyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: olivia norman > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:41 AM > Subject: Re: What do you think? > > That's great to hear! Is this at a local apple store? I am not surprised that > apple is training people on their products, and hope that you have a good > experience making the switch! > Olivia > On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Carolyn wrote: > >> Hey I just gotta chime in here. I live in Denver. I'm having difficulty >> making the jump to my Mac. I've called everywhere I can in Denver, looking >> for someone, anyone to give me the jump start/kick in the rear to really >> make this move from PC to Mac happen. Guess who has offered the tutoring I >> need? ... no, not the NFB, Not Rehab, but Apple itself with a voice-over >> trained staffer. I'm starting next week! >> >> Carolyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Cody >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 1:36 AM >> Subject: Re: What do you think? >> >> Takes a deep breath. >> >> Oh yeah, like the damn nfb cares. if they cared so much, then why don't >> training centers demo macs. >> >> It's call money. I hate the ***** nfb. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Anne Robertson" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:30 AM >> Subject: Re: What do you think? >> >> >> Hello Nic, >> >> Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant >> along the same lines. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >> > Hi, >> > >> > I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around >> > for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. >> > Apple is going to keep it up because they are committed. The article about >> > the lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >> > >> > There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the >> > NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue >> > Skype, but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to users >> > using Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't even >> > review the product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more than >> > anyone for accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something in >> > store, and they sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty serious >> > statement. Of course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at all. >> > Saying that, NFB has made some seriously inaccurate statements as well, >> > far outweighing mine. NFB actually has no reason to sue Apple. What would >> > they sue them for, exactly? Because their products are accessible, and >> > they want everyone to pay more than what a Macbook costs for assistive >> > technology? That wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all about >> > competition. If they think they're about to be kicked out, of course they >> > would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple has done something Microsoft >> > has not. All these things sound really twisted and disgusting to me. >> > >> > Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with >> > iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous >> > suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case, >> > however, as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are not >> > anywhere near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about that. >> > Which, again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of being >> > kicked out, they do everything they can to stop people buying their >> > product. That would make sense. >> > >> > Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I >> > suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you >> > even seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous. >> > People who moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the >> > interface accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for >> > everything else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, or >> > just Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's >> > stupidly difficult most of the time to reload the product. Even if you >> > manage to do so, you will probably run into the screen not being read >> > correctly when reading list boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case >> > scenario. You have to uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video >> > Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 >> > then reinstall JAWS 11. >> > >> > Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the ass. >> > I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this corrupt and >> > twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper look at what a >> > company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative about the NFB, >> > though I am actually being neutral when talking about the actual lawsuit >> > itself. >> > >> > Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone from >> > NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good reviews. >> > Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks for filing >> > unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a childish tantrum >> > here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A company is trying to >> > provide great accessibility for their products, and they are sued because >> > of one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on the Windows side, >> > people. Quit your darn nitpicking. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Nic >> > Skype: Kvalme >> > MSN Messenger: [email protected] >> > AIM: cincinster >> > yahoo Messenger: cin368 >> > Facebook Profile >> > My Twitter >> > >> > On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >> > >> >> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >> >> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >> >> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >> >> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks >> >> Apple will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three >> >> year term is up? 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