Hi, Haha Charlie, nice signature.
Yeah, I thought someone had to. I took the plunge because I'm just fed up with the crap. Regards, Nic Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: [email protected] AIM: cincinster yahoo Messenger: cin368 Facebook Profile My Twitter On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Charlie Doremus wrote: > I would also like to thank you, Nic, for saving my bacon. Like Anne I was > going to take issue with NFB and others who love to gripe for the sake of > griping. You saved me from being called tactless twice in the same week. Even > though I don't use Jaws the idea of uninstall, install, uninstall, install, > no matter what program, gives me the creeps. > > Sent from the iPad I wish I had > > On Apr 14, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Nic, >> >> Thank you for this post. You've just saved me from going on a major rant >> along the same lines. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around for >>> six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. Apple is >>> going to keep it up because they are committed. The article about the >>> lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. >>> >>> There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the >>> NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue Skype, >>> but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to users using >>> Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't even review the >>> product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more than anyone for >>> accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something in store, and >>> they sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty serious statement. >>> Of course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at all. Saying that, NFB >>> has made some seriously inaccurate statements as well, far outweighing >>> mine. NFB actually has no reason to sue Apple. What would they sue them >>> for, exactly? Because their products are accessible, and they want everyone >>> to pay more than what a Macbook costs for assistive technology? That >>> wouldn't actually surprise me much. It's all about competition. If they >>> think they're about to be kicked out, of course they would consider Apple a >>> threat. Because Apple has done something Microsoft has not. All these >>> things sound really twisted and disgusting to me. >>> >>> Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with >>> iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous >>> suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case, however, >>> as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are not anywhere >>> near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about that. Which, >>> again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of being kicked out, >>> they do everything they can to stop people buying their product. That would >>> make sense. >>> >>> Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I >>> suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you even >>> seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous. People >>> who moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the interface >>> accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for everything >>> else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, or just >>> Windows in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's stupidly >>> difficult most of the time to reload the product. Even if you manage to do >>> so, you will probably run into the screen not being read correctly when >>> reading list boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case scenario. You >>> have to uninstall JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video Intercept, >>> reinstall JAWS 10, install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 then >>> reinstall JAWS 11. >>> >>> Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the ass. >>> I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this corrupt and >>> twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper look at what a >>> company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative about the NFB, >>> though I am actually being neutral when talking about the actual lawsuit >>> itself. >>> >>> Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone from >>> NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good reviews. >>> Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks for filing >>> unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a childish tantrum >>> here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A company is trying to >>> provide great accessibility for their products, and they are sued because >>> of one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on the Windows side, >>> people. Quit your darn nitpicking. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: [email protected] >>> AIM: cincinster >>> yahoo Messenger: cin368 >>> Facebook Profile >>> My Twitter >>> >>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: >>> >>>> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is >>>> accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the >>>> agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a >>>> question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks Apple >>>> will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three year >>>> term is up? 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