That bugs me as well, and I'm not even from the UK. On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:28 AM, marie Howarth <[email protected]>wrote:
> The RNIB seems to be ignoring apple. I'm currently working with their > sister company as the RNIB and action for the blind merged recently so RNIB > carries out the campaigning and such and action provides support. They > didn't even know the mac could talk. This saddens me as I know there are an > increasing number of UK mac users and to think a huge support organisation > like this is either aware and choosing to ignore this or simply is not aware > of it angers me. > > On 15 Apr 2010, at 11:11, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > > Nic, just out of curiosity, what is the danish organisation for the > blinds view on Apple products? > > I have a feeling, though i could be wrong, that the swedish blindness > organisation is a bit on the conservative side when it comes to the Apple > products, however i could be wrong. > > /Krister > > > > > > 15 apr 2010 kl. 09.14 skrev Nicolai Svendsen: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I seriously doubt that is the case. Apple accessibility has been around > for six years now, not three. I doubt NFB had anything to do with it. Apple > is going to keep it up because they are committed. The article about the > lawsuit doesn't actually mention Apple much. > >> > >> There is actually a very good point of view. Apple poses a threat to the > NFB of taking over the technical market. This is why NFB did not sue Skype, > but Apple. Agreement or not, I'm pretty sure they listened to users using > Outspoken and such, rather than an organization that can't even review the > product properly when it is out. Apple has done far more than anyone for > accessibility improvements. Apple said they had something in store, and they > sure did. I of course realize that it is a pretty serious statement. Of > course, I am not particularly a fan of the NFB at all. Saying that, NFB has > made some seriously inaccurate statements as well, far outweighing mine. NFB > actually has no reason to sue Apple. What would they sue them for, exactly? > Because their products are accessible, and they want everyone to pay more > than what a Macbook costs for assistive technology? That wouldn't actually > surprise me much. It's all about competition. If they think they're about to > be kicked out, of course they would consider Apple a threat. Because Apple > has done something Microsoft has not. All these things sound really twisted > and disgusting to me. > >> > >> Apple can hardly be sued for their effort. Their lawsuit had to do with > iTunes on the Windows side. Fair enough, but that is a pretty ridiculous > suit if it really is based on accessibility. That is not the case, however, > as there are plenty of other useful programs for PCs that are not anywhere > near as accessible as iTunes 9. And NFB doesn't care about that. Which, > again, leads me to believe that, because NFB is scared of being kicked out, > they do everything they can to stop people buying their product. That would > make sense. > >> > >> Windows users rely on scripts all the time to use any application. I > suggest you look through your jAWS folder to see what I mean. Have you even > seen just the download size of a JAWS installation? It's outrageous. People > who moan about iTunes not being accessible just because the interface > accidentally broke, just need to use scripts like they do for everything > else. I'm surprised that wasn't their first complaint. JAWS, or just Windows > in general, isn't even that stable. If JAWS crashes, it's stupidly difficult > most of the time to reload the product. Even if you manage to do so, you > will probably run into the screen not being read correctly when reading list > boxes or with the cursor. Or, the worst-case scenario. You have to uninstall > JAWS 11 after attempting to install Video Intercept, reinstall JAWS 10, > install VIdeo Intercept, uninstall JAWS 10 then reinstall JAWS 11. > >> > >> Maybe I'm slamming the NFB a bit, but really, they need a kick in the > ass. I'm just happy the Danish blindness organizations are not this corrupt > and twisted, and they actually review fairly and take a proper look at what > a company offers before suing them. I'll always be negative about the NFB, > though I am actually being neutral when talking about the actual lawsuit > itself. > >> > >> Say what you want to, it won't change my mind. Even if it is someone > from NFB saying it. Some NFB people are great. Some do incredibly good > reviews. Some don't. And in whole, I think the organization just sucks for > filing unnecessary lawsuits for nothing. Maybe I'm going on a childish > tantrum here, perhaps. But once in a while, you need to. A company is trying > to provide great accessibility for their products, and they are sued because > of one problem. iTunes is actually still useful on the Windows side, people. > Quit your darn nitpicking. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Nic > >> Skype: Kvalme > >> MSN Messenger: [email protected] > >> AIM: cincinster > >> yahoo Messenger: cin368 > >> Facebook Profile > >> My Twitter > >> > >> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:08 AM, Rob Lambert wrote: > >> > >>> I just got wind, from a friend of mine, that the only reason Apple is > accessible to us is because of a lawsuit by the NFB. The term of the > agreement was for accessibility improvements for three years. Here's a > question. First, what's your side of this ordeal? Second, who thinks Apple > will keep up with the accessibility improvements after this three year term > is up? 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