Hi Olivia,
You need to set a hot spot if you want to go back to the same location
in Preview after shifting to another app. Before you navigate away
from Preview, press VO-Shift-1 (or any other number key that you want
to assign to th hot spot). You'll hear VoiceOver say, "Save as
hotspot 1". Then, you can switch applications with Command-tab, do
something else, and when you return to Preview press VO-1 to get back
to your hot spot location so you can resume reading where you left
off. This is a workaround, and the hot spot won't be saved if you
have to restart VoiceOver or if you log out.
This is a bug in Preview. Preview is one of the few apps that, at
least with respect to VoiceOver Navigation and focus on this point,
behaved better in Tiger than in Leopard.
Cheers,
Esther
On 11 May 2010, at 09:56, olivia norman wrote:
Interesting. I also find that I loose focus when I navigate to
another application. For instance, if I am reading a PDF in
prieview, and go to text edit to take notes on what I'm reading,
when I return to the PDF, I am placed back at the beginning of the
document. This makes reading articles a frustrating experience at
times. Is there a work around for this?
Thanks!
Olivia
On May 11, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Esther wrote:
Hi,
As Marie says, the key is interacting with the text in Preview. If
you can't read continuously after interacting, check your PDF
Display settings under the View menu on Preview's menu bar (VO-M to
the menu bar, press "V" to go to the View menu, arrow down, press
"P" to go to PDF Display, right arrow to the submenu, then arrow
down to see which display mode is checked. The default is "Single
Page Continuous". If "Single Page" is checked, VoiceOver will stop
reading at the end of each page. This setting can be useful if,
for some reason your PDF book starts reading each page in the
middle due to a conversion or format problem.
In Preview you can Command-Right arrow to move to the next page,
Command-Left arrow to move the previous page. Also, if your PDF
supports Table of Contents organization, and you have navigated and
interacted with the Outline View where the contents are listed and
selected a section (e.g., for one of the Take Control guides, after
downloading and opening the eBook in Preview, tab to "Outline View,
Table, no selection"; interact, and select a section, then stop
interacting and VO-Left arrow to the main document section of
Preview, you can then use Command-Up arrow to move to the start of
the previous chapter and Command-Down arrow to move the start of
the next chapter. These correspond to the places you would select
by navigating up and down in the Outline View. If the sidebar is
not showing "Outline" view, but is instead displaying "thumbnails"
or "search results" because you used Command-F to find a string in
the document, you can use item chooser menu to search for "Menu
Button" (e.g., VO-I, then type "b u t", press return, and arrow
down to the selection and either press return or VO-Space), then
bring up the contextual menu (VO-Shift-M) and arrow up to "Table of
Contents". VO-Up arrow to the Outline view, interact, and select a
section from the contents. This only works if the PDF document was
constructed with a viewable table of contents -- you won't find
this menu option in PDF files you simply create by printing with
Command-P and saving to PDF.
Olivia, I don't know whether the "new keyboards" you were asking
about are laptop type keyboards without the page up and page down
keys, but I'll paste in part of an old post describing how pressing
the Fn key in combination with the arrow keys can generate the
Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down keys of full keyboards.
Hello Carolyn, Phil, and Others On any MacBook, MacBook Pro, or
other laptops such as the earlier PowerBook and iBook series, the
Home, End, Page Up, and Page Down keys can be accessed by pressing
the Fn key in conjunction with the Arrow keys. The easy way to
check this for yourself is by turning on VoiceOver's keyboard help
(VO-K), then hold down the Fn key and press each of the arrow keys
in succession. You'll hear: Fn+Left Arrow "Home" Fn+Right Arrow
"End" Fn+Up Arrow "Page Up" Fn+Down Arrow "Page Down" and, if I
can add a couple of other keys on the right side of the laptop
keyboard, pressed together with the Fn key: Fn+Delete "Forward
Delete" Fn+Return "Enter" The consequences of this are that
commands to go to the beginning or end of a list or table, like VO-
Home and VO-End, or VO-Shift-Home and VO-Shift-End to move to the
first or last word in a list or table with scrolling, is that a
laptop user, after interacting, will use: VO+Fn+Left Arrow to move
to the first visible word in a list, table, or web page VO+Fn
+Right Arrow to move to the last visible word in a list, table, or
web page In a table like the Mail messages table or the Songs
table of iTunes, where the list is longer than the visible page,
you will want to use scrolling to move to the actual start or end
of the list, and will also need to press the Shift key with this
combination: VO+Fn+Shift+Left Arrow to move to the first word in a
list or table with scrolling VO+Fn+Shift+Right Arrow to move to
the last word in a list or table with scrolling after interacting
with said list or table. Other consequences of the Fn key usage
are that when using TextEdit on a Mac laptop, you can use: Fn+Down
Arrow to move down a page in a document Fn+Up Arrow to move up a
page in a document Fn+Delete to forward delete a character All
these Fn+key combinations for laptops are specific to Mac OS X,
and do not depend on using VoiceOver. HTH Cheers, Esther
On 11 May 2010, at 04:46, Teresa Cochran wrote:
See, I knew I was missing something. Yes, Marie, interacting with
the
text works great. :)
Olivia, the only thing I could think of is to use the "go to page"
function, command-shift-g. No page functions on the new keyboards?
That's very odd.
Teresa
On May 11, 7:11 am, marie Howarth <[email protected]> wrote:
to use VO-A once moving away from the start of the document. Try
interacting with the text. That helps in other apps for me.
On 11 May 2010, at 15:02, Teresa Cochran wrote:
Hi, folk,
I'm not sure if I'm missing something fundamental here, but the
only way I can read a document in Preview is to press VO-A to
start, then when it reaches the end of the page, I press page-
down and then space when it says "next". When it reaches a
subsequent page, I can only move to the text again by using VO-
right-arrow to read. If I press VO-A again, it starts from the
beginning of the document. Can someone point me to how I can
read a document from start to finish, even if it is page-by-page?
Thanks,
Teresa
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