NO Eric,

I know about VO+shift+m, if that's what you mean.  Again, I say, that's not the 
kind of access issue I'm talking about here.  These are very special cases 
where menues will appear on the screen but not be visible to Voice Over unless 
you physically move the mouse over to that menu.  I am not talking here about 
track pad commander either.  I can get to the menues I want, but, when it comes 
to opening the preferences menu, forget it.  


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> ok?
> I have never found an app that doesn't do that. unless you are talking the 
> right mouse button context menus. there is actually a command for that in the 
> help somewhere.
> 
> normally, I have the mouse cursor set to focus on voiceover, so where-ever 
> voiceover speaks, the mouse will be, then its easy to access this menu. 
> haven't tried with a trackpad yet.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Oct 26, 2010, at 1:44 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Uh, that does not work with the Drop Box App.
>> 
>> I'm talking here about menues which cannot be found in the regular way you 
>> describe.  These menus have to be located with the use of the Mouse.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely, 
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>> 
>>> um no.
>>> you use VO+M to get to the menu for the specific application. then you 
>>> arrow right 1 from the apple menu and then down until you hear preferences. 
>>> hit space and you are in.
>>> 
>>> -Eric
>>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 1:11 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Do I do this after finding the preferences menu with the mouse?  Cause the 
>>>> mouse is the only way I can get to it to even see it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely, 
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>> 
>>>> Skype Name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 2:01 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> try VO+M then arrow right to the application name then arrow down to 
>>>>> preferences. after that, you should be in.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Eric
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> subject line almost says it all.  I can find the special preference 
>>>>>> menus of both Drop Box and the Type writer keyboard, but, can't open 
>>>>>> them.  Any suggestions?  Tried using the return key, VO+space, just 
>>>>>> space and mouse clicking.  No luck.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sincerely, 
>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>> barefootedray
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