ray,
ok, those menus I never seem to find (or get). I have a mouse here, but because 
I am totally blind (NLP), moving it around the screen would be useless for me.

I have run into a few websites that do something like that. but because I can 
still interact with the website, I don't immediately notice the new "window" 
until after I am done.

-Eric

On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:27 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> NO Eric,
> 
> I know about VO+shift+m, if that's what you mean.  Again, I say, that's not 
> the kind of access issue I'm talking about here.  These are very special 
> cases where menues will appear on the screen but not be visible to Voice Over 
> unless you physically move the mouse over to that menu.  I am not talking 
> here about track pad commander either.  I can get to the menues I want, but, 
> when it comes to opening the preferences menu, forget it.  
> 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Oct 26, 2010, at 5:14 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
> 
>> ok?
>> I have never found an app that doesn't do that. unless you are talking the 
>> right mouse button context menus. there is actually a command for that in 
>> the help somewhere.
>> 
>> normally, I have the mouse cursor set to focus on voiceover, so where-ever 
>> voiceover speaks, the mouse will be, then its easy to access this menu. 
>> haven't tried with a trackpad yet.
>> 
>> -Eric
>> 
>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 1:44 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> Uh, that does not work with the Drop Box App.
>>> 
>>> I'm talking here about menues which cannot be found in the regular way you 
>>> describe.  These menus have to be located with the use of the Mouse.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, 
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 3:32 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> um no.
>>>> you use VO+M to get to the menu for the specific application. then you 
>>>> arrow right 1 from the apple menu and then down until you hear 
>>>> preferences. hit space and you are in.
>>>> 
>>>> -Eric
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 1:11 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Do I do this after finding the preferences menu with the mouse?  Cause 
>>>>> the mouse is the only way I can get to it to even see it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely, 
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>> barefootedray
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 26, 2010, at 2:01 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> try VO+M then arrow right to the application name then arrow down to 
>>>>>> preferences. after that, you should be in.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Eric
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> subject line almost says it all.  I can find the special preference 
>>>>>>> menus of both Drop Box and the Type writer keyboard, but, can't open 
>>>>>>> them.  Any suggestions?  Tried using the return key, VO+space, just 
>>>>>>> space and mouse clicking.  No luck.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sincerely, 
>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Skype Name:
>>>>>>> barefootedray
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