Yeah, it does. Donna On Oct 26, 2010, at 7:16 AM, EWOUD wrote: > i think, from what i heard, it still happends in spain that way! > Ewoud > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Goodin" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: way ot: chinese braille > > > Yeah, that was my reaction exactly. In fact I even told her that a lot of > blind people used to be sent to work as piano tuners. I remember that when I > lived in Spain I was shocked that basically all blind people did was sell > lottery tickets. I did meet one blind student at the university who was > studying law, but other than that, the norm was that the blind sold lottery > tickets. the lottery was sponsored by the ONCE, the national organization > for the blind. Many of the spaniards I spoke with were very proud of the > fact that they had such a great system in place so that all blind people > would be financially taken care of, and some couldn't understand my negative > reaction. Anyway, we're getting way off-topic, but yes, we are very > fortunate here. > Donna > On Oct 26, 2010, at 1:22 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > >>> You know, it's messages like yours that really make me realize how lucky I >>> / we are in the West but the US especially. (at least that's the region >>> I'm experienced with personally) I can't imagine going to work every day >>> in a career that was forced on you if you had the right to have one at all. >>> I may be wrong but it wasn't all that long ago it was like that here. We >>> were pushed to musicians or piano tuners (not that there is anything at all >>> in the least wrong with that career choice, Hard work of any kind brings >>> you closer to "god") but I can't imagine not having the choice to do what I >>> want. I can't imagine not being an engineer. My family on my father's >>> side has been engineers or electricians or other technicians of one form or >>> another for generations. I can't stand authroity as it is I can't imagine >>> how I would have reacted being forced to do massage or sell pencils or not >>> allowed to work at all. >> >> Thank you for the reminder. >> >> Now only if we could get some better images in the media we'd be set here. >> >>> >> >> >>> My colleague, who is married to a Chinese man and has spent time in China, >>> said that the blind in China are trained since childhood for a career in >>> massage. Glad to see this isn't their only option. :) >>> Donna >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Esther wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I was going to reply to Donna off list and suggest that she check the >>>> wikipedia. The more elegant way to do this is to use the Wikipanion app >>>> from your iPhone or iPod Touch (under iOS 4 with language rotor). It will >>>> take you to the regular Wikipedia app entry, but your iPhone will read out >>>> the bits with Chinese characters in Mandarin. (At least, it does on my >>>> iPod Touch). The answer in the Wikipedia entry is that there is a system >>>> that is based on Pinyin entry for initial sound and final sounds, with >>>> some ability to indicate 4 tones. However, there is a section that >>>> describes "Ambiguity and future of Chinese Braille" which addresses the >>>> issue of the different phonetic representations of words. >>>> >>>> The issue of Chinese input methods for VoiceOver users came up on the >>>> viphone list. If you're interested, see my (long) post titled, "Chinese >>>> Input with VoiceOver on the iPhone [was Re: Chinese VO]" that replied to a >>>> question/complaint from an iPhone user about the inability of entering >>>> Chinese text on the iPhone. (This was posted a few days after iOS 4 with >>>> access to the language rotor was released): >>>> >>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg24706.html >>>> >>>> You're actually better off going to the viphone list and searching for the >>>> thread Alvin started and his later followup in another thread, but the >>>> issue of how to input Chinese text with VoiceOver (if we ever get voices >>>> for that work with VoiceOver on the Mac) is a real one for this list. >>>> Incidentally, for U.S. and Canadian iPhone users, it's possible to use the >>>> Trippo VoiceMagix app (or the newer version Trippo Voice Translator Plus, >>>> which gives you a free app and lets you add on the voice recognition and >>>> text to speech features through in-app purchase, to get the same thing). >>>> To speak in English and have the translated text spoken (and written) in >>>> Chinese, which you could then copy and edit. And since I wrote the linked >>>> post, Sonico GmbH has added a Loquendo Chinese text-to-speech voice for >>>> in-app purchase in their iTranslate (free) and iTranslate Plus ($0.99, >>>> saves history of previous entries) apps for $1.99. (Their male Russian >>>> voice is also very good.) >>>> >>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>>> >>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 08:00, Colin M wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all! >>>>> I was a bit curious myself, there is info about Chinese braille on >>>>> wikkipedia! >>>>> So it does indeed exist and has been around a while! >>>>> Just type chinese braille into google and it should be the first option, >>>>> if you want to have an gander! >>>>> Colin >>>>> On 25 Oct 2010, at 18:43, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Wow that must be a complex braille implementation. I've seen a Japanese >>>>>> and Chinese typewriter and it's a similar situation with hundreds of >>>>>> keys. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry for the ot post, but this is such an international list, I >>>>>>> figured someone would know the answer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm sitting here having a discussion about chinese braille with a >>>>>>> colleague. Does anyone know anything about it? Does it exist? If >>>>>>> yes, how does it work? My colleague--who speaks Chinese was explaining >>>>>>> that it couldn't just rely on a phonetic symbol system, because the >>>>>>> same phonetic writing can represent several different words. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Since this is not on topic, feel free to respond off-list, >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >
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