I'm surprised. With CF being based there I thought at least some of us were getting in to the tech field there.
On Oct 26, 2010, at 4:22 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Yeah, it does. > Donna > On Oct 26, 2010, at 7:16 AM, EWOUD wrote: > >> i think, from what i heard, it still happends in spain that way! >> Ewoud >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Goodin" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:11 PM >> Subject: Re: way ot: chinese braille >> >> >> Yeah, that was my reaction exactly. In fact I even told her that a lot of >> blind people used to be sent to work as piano tuners. I remember that when >> I lived in Spain I was shocked that basically all blind people did was sell >> lottery tickets. I did meet one blind student at the university who was >> studying law, but other than that, the norm was that the blind sold lottery >> tickets. the lottery was sponsored by the ONCE, the national organization >> for the blind. Many of the spaniards I spoke with were very proud of the >> fact that they had such a great system in place so that all blind people >> would be financially taken care of, and some couldn't understand my negative >> reaction. Anyway, we're getting way off-topic, but yes, we are very >> fortunate here. >> Donna >> On Oct 26, 2010, at 1:22 AM, Scott Granados wrote: >> >>>> You know, it's messages like yours that really make me realize how lucky I >>>> / we are in the West but the US especially. (at least that's the region >>>> I'm experienced with personally) I can't imagine going to work every day >>>> in a career that was forced on you if you had the right to have one at >>>> all. I may be wrong but it wasn't all that long ago it was like that >>>> here. We were pushed to musicians or piano tuners (not that there is >>>> anything at all in the least wrong with that career choice, Hard work of >>>> any kind brings you closer to "god") but I can't imagine not having the >>>> choice to do what I want. I can't imagine not being an engineer. My >>>> family on my father's side has been engineers or electricians or other >>>> technicians of one form or another for generations. I can't stand >>>> authroity as it is I can't imagine how I would have reacted being forced >>>> to do massage or sell pencils or not allowed to work at all. >>> >>> Thank you for the reminder. >>> >>> Now only if we could get some better images in the media we'd be set here. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> My colleague, who is married to a Chinese man and has spent time in China, >>>> said that the blind in China are trained since childhood for a career in >>>> massage. Glad to see this isn't their only option. :) >>>> Donna >>>> Best, >>>> Donna >>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Esther wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> I was going to reply to Donna off list and suggest that she check the >>>>> wikipedia. The more elegant way to do this is to use the Wikipanion app >>>>> from your iPhone or iPod Touch (under iOS 4 with language rotor). It >>>>> will take you to the regular Wikipedia app entry, but your iPhone will >>>>> read out the bits with Chinese characters in Mandarin. (At least, it >>>>> does on my iPod Touch). The answer in the Wikipedia entry is that there >>>>> is a system that is based on Pinyin entry for initial sound and final >>>>> sounds, with some ability to indicate 4 tones. However, there is a >>>>> section that describes "Ambiguity and future of Chinese Braille" which >>>>> addresses the issue of the different phonetic representations of words. >>>>> >>>>> The issue of Chinese input methods for VoiceOver users came up on the >>>>> viphone list. If you're interested, see my (long) post titled, "Chinese >>>>> Input with VoiceOver on the iPhone [was Re: Chinese VO]" that replied to >>>>> a question/complaint from an iPhone user about the inability of entering >>>>> Chinese text on the iPhone. (This was posted a few days after iOS 4 with >>>>> access to the language rotor was released): >>>>> >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg24706.html >>>>> >>>>> You're actually better off going to the viphone list and searching for >>>>> the thread Alvin started and his later followup in another thread, but >>>>> the issue of how to input Chinese text with VoiceOver (if we ever get >>>>> voices for that work with VoiceOver on the Mac) is a real one for this >>>>> list. Incidentally, for U.S. and Canadian iPhone users, it's possible to >>>>> use the Trippo VoiceMagix app (or the newer version Trippo Voice >>>>> Translator Plus, which gives you a free app and lets you add on the >>>>> voice recognition and text to speech features through in-app purchase, to >>>>> get the same thing). To speak in English and have the translated text >>>>> spoken (and written) in Chinese, which you could then copy and edit. And >>>>> since I wrote the linked post, Sonico GmbH has added a Loquendo Chinese >>>>> text-to-speech voice for in-app purchase in their iTranslate (free) and >>>>> iTranslate Plus ($0.99, saves history of previous entries) apps for >>>>> $1.99. (Their male Russian voice is also very good.) >>>>> >>>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Esther >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 08:00, Colin M wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all! >>>>>> I was a bit curious myself, there is info about Chinese braille on >>>>>> wikkipedia! >>>>>> So it does indeed exist and has been around a while! >>>>>> Just type chinese braille into google and it should be the first option, >>>>>> if you want to have an gander! >>>>>> Colin >>>>>> On 25 Oct 2010, at 18:43, Scott Granados wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow that must be a complex braille implementation. I've seen a >>>>>>> Japanese and Chinese typewriter and it's a similar situation with >>>>>>> hundreds of keys. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2010, at 8:42 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sorry for the ot post, but this is such an international list, I >>>>>>>> figured someone would know the answer. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm sitting here having a discussion about chinese braille with a >>>>>>>> colleague. Does anyone know anything about it? Does it exist? If >>>>>>>> yes, how does it work? My colleague--who speaks Chinese was >>>>>>>> explaining that it couldn't just rely on a phonetic symbol system, >>>>>>>> because the same phonetic writing can represent several different >>>>>>>> words. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Since this is not on topic, feel free to respond off-list, >>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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