Hi Annie,

Thank you for your wonderful idea. I just E-mailed [email protected] and 
hopefully they will put our suggestions in to the next release.

Musically,
Allison
My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!


On Nov 14, 2010, at 5:01 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> I have suggested apple to let us setup standard commands, so we can perform 
> them from our braille displays. If you do the same, they will maybe listen, 
> and make that possible.
> 
> Best regards Annie.
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:52 PM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alison,  This is my entire thing, you can't use the display to perform 
>> standard keyboard commands.  Multitudenous voiceover commands yes, but no 
>> standard mac os keyboard commands.
>> 
>> Unfortunately, I don't have a braillino to test on here, so I can't see what 
>> you are seeing.
>> 
>> If you go to voiceover utility then braille then displays tab, you can press 
>> the assign commands button and see all the ones that are predefined for your 
>> braille display.  You can also add more by pressing command B and then 
>> pressing the button combination you want to add.  Press space bar on it in 
>> the table and you can choose from literally hundreds of functions.  That 
>> display should also allow you to write  braille on your mac since it has an 
>> input keyboard.
>> 
>> I wish I could give you better info, but as I said, I don't have one here 
>> for demo.  Unfortunately they aren't funded here and no one sells them, or I 
>> would have access to one.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>> person,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2010-11-11, at 4:00 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Erik,
>>> 
>>> I understand what you mean now. The only thing I'm still confused about is 
>>> how you assign commands. I cannot find a command for skimming through a 
>>> message by paratraphs. I have the next and previous commands, pan left and 
>>> right commands. But I don't see a command to go next and previous 
>>> paragraphs. I'm sure I'm missing something. I apologize for my ignorance on 
>>> this matter. I never realized that you could use the Braille display to 
>>> also perform keyboard functions on the Mac. I hope  you are having a 
>>> wonderful day. Thanks again for answering all my questions.
>>> 
>>> Happily,
>>> Allison
>>> 
>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hum, well you're right I'm super confused, but I think I can clarify.
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, I was wrong in my original post which merks things up even more.
>>>> 
>>>> To understand what I'm doing, I'll give you a brief description of the 
>>>> braille connect.
>>>> 
>>>> The front edge is cut out on a slant and has the following controls left 
>>>> to right.
>>>> function keys 1 and 2, left space, joystick, right space, and function 
>>>> keys 3 and 4.  The function keys are called f1 through f4 on the mac.
>>>> on the top face the braille display and it's router keys are at the front. 
>>>>  On each side of the braille display are three round keys running front to 
>>>> back along the ends of the display.  The mac calls these d1 through d6.
>>>> behind the router keys is a set of 8 braille input keys which are square 
>>>> and laid out in an ergonomic braille keyboard style.  Mac calls these dot1 
>>>> through dot8.When I was talking about d1+d2+d3, I actually meant 
>>>> dot1+dot2+dot3.
>>>> 
>>>> What I eventualy hope to accomplish is to force my mac to emulate the 
>>>> conventions of a standard note taker, such as the braille note, braille 
>>>> sense, or packmate.
>>>> 
>>>> You have some experience with these, so just nod along here.
>>>> In the notetaker convention, space+1 = previous letter, space+4 = next 
>>>> letter.
>>>> space+2 = previous word, space+5 = next word.
>>>> Space+3 = previous sentence, space+6 = next sentence.
>>>> Space+2+3 equals previous paragraph, space+5+6 = next paragraph.
>>>> Space+1+2+3 = go to top, space+4+5+6 = go to end.
>>>> add the word dot before all those numbers if you want to be mackish about 
>>>> it.
>>>> 
>>>> OK, so with the braille connect, we're breaking the convention already, 
>>>> because next and previous letter are joystick left and right, but that's 
>>>> OK.
>>>> 
>>>> Here's what I'd like to do for the bc.  I'll make a nice little table here.
>>>> Function, mac OS command, braille connect command,
>>>> Previous word, option left arrow, space+dot1,
>>>> next word, option right arrow, space+dot4,
>>>> Previous paragraph, option up arrow, space+dot2,
>>>> next paragraph, option down arrow, space+dot5,
>>>> beginning of line, control right arrow, space+dot3,
>>>> end of line, control right arrow, space+dot6,
>>>> go to top, command up arrow, space+1+2+3, 
>>>> go to bottom, command down arrow, space+dot4+dot5+dot6.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't know anything about the brailleno control surface, but it wouldn't 
>>>> be hard to put previous and next letter on dots 1 and 4, then move 
>>>> everything else outward and put next and previous paragraph on dots 23 and 
>>>> 56.
>>>> 
>>>> If you don't normally use these commands, make yourself a reply to this 
>>>> message, type some text and then practice going word by word, paragraph by 
>>>> paragraph, top and bottom.  Watch what happens on your brailleno as you 
>>>> navigate with mac OS10 keyboard shortcuts.  It shows you the information 
>>>> you need without having to interact.  Here I am at the bottom of a message 
>>>> I typed, and if I want to go to the top I press command up arrow.  The 
>>>> braille display says hum, because that's the first word I typed.  To get 
>>>> back here and continue typing I skim the message paragraraph by paragraph 
>>>> til I get beck to my signature.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not interacting with the edit box that I'm using to type this message. 
>>>>  The reason is that I don't have a need to interact.  I can edit without, 
>>>> but while I'm not interacting, I can also decide to quickly jump over to 
>>>> the cc field and copy this message to apple accessibility. Or, I can be 
>>>> monitoring two parts of the screen at once, making a change in one area 
>>>> and observing how that change effects another area.
>>>> 
>>>> As I look around for ways to add more features to my braille controller, 
>>>> it strikes me that there are no provisions for mac OS10 commands.  There 
>>>> are hundreds of voiceover commands to choose from, including the ability 
>>>> to run scrips from braille keys and all sorts of business, but if 
>>>> voiceover doesn't do it, neither does the braille display.  I think this 
>>>> is a serious oversight that needs to be corrected, because mac OS itself 
>>>> has a lot to offer in terms of keyboard functionality.
>>>> 
>>>> Of course,  I'm still screaming for grade two braille input and some other 
>>>> things.  It will be interesting to see what OS10.7 offers us in terms of 
>>>> braille functionality.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>>> User support consultant,
>>>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>>>> person,
>>>> 1-888-255-5194
>>>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>>>> 
>>>> On 2010-11-10, at 11:26 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Erik,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have the same trouble on the Braillino. What is the space plus D 1 2 
>>>>> and 3? I'm confused. I saw it in the dialog you spoke of appearing in the 
>>>>> VoiceOver Braille panel,  but I don't understand how to assign keys 
>>>>> without interacting with the text. I understand what you want, and I 
>>>>> think it's a great idea. I hope you can create something that will work 
>>>>> like that. I know when I proofread my messages with the Braillino, I have 
>>>>> to interact with the message by pressing VO shift down arrow, and then I 
>>>>> can use the controls on the Braillino to scroll line by line and correct 
>>>>> spelling mistakes typos etc. I hope this helps, or maybe I have confused 
>>>>> you. Have a great evening.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Musically,
>>>>> Allison
>>>>> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:23 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi,  I'm just hacking my braille connect to try and maximize the 
>>>>>> controller options and make it more comfortable for me to use as a full 
>>>>>> braille controller.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I want it to emulate my computer.  For example, I have reset the 
>>>>>> joystick on the bc32 so that it performs the functions of the up down 
>>>>>> left and right arrow keys, as opposed to the standard move lest right up 
>>>>>> and down.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now, what I would appreciate and find most helpful is if I could have a 
>>>>>> new custom key dialog box added to the custom menu of the key 
>>>>>> assignments.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not really sure what to call this great dialog box, since custom is 
>>>>>> already taken by the menu, but it would work like this.  You input a key 
>>>>>> on the key board, the up arrow for example.  Then you have checkboxes 
>>>>>> for each of the command, option, control, and fn keys.  You check the 
>>>>>> appropriate combination of modifier keys.  I want command up arrow 
>>>>>> assigned to space+d1+d2+d3 for example.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Command up arrow and command down arrow are the standard mac OS keyboard 
>>>>>> shortcuts to take me to the top and bottom of a text area such as this 
>>>>>> edit box where I am typing a message.  I'm just typing along, not 
>>>>>> interacting or any of that nonsense and if I want to read what I've 
>>>>>> written from the top I can press command up arrow to go to the beginning 
>>>>>> of what I've just typed, and then I can either read line by line with 
>>>>>> the arrows, Or I can read on the display.  So, I like command up arrow 
>>>>>> and command down arrow, and I just want to tell my braille controller 
>>>>>> that when I press space+d1+d2+d3, or space+d4+d5+d6, it means do that 
>>>>>> thing.  I feel the same way about option up and down arrow, option left 
>>>>>> and right arrow, and control left and right arrow.  Or how about tab, 
>>>>>> command tab, shift tab and command shift tab.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have fiddled with a lot of navigation key assignments that should 
>>>>>> emulate what I want, but the fact of the matter is, they all rely on 
>>>>>> interacting with each and every object in order to work effectively.  I 
>>>>>> wouldn't normally interact with things more than %10 or %15 of the time, 
>>>>>> mostly scroll areas or html frames or some issues involving group mode 
>>>>>> on the web.  Interacting with every single item on the screen to make it 
>>>>>> work defeats the power and purpose of interacting and so I only do when 
>>>>>> it's called for.  In braille display world, I currently have to interact 
>>>>>> with every object I am working on to make it behave which is obnoxious 
>>>>>> and could be completely avoidable by allowing a braille controller to 
>>>>>> more closely emulate the computer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Erik Burggraaf
>>>>>> User support consultant,
>>>>>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>>>>>> person,
>>>>>> 1-888-255-5194
>>>>>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
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