Ok guys: I don't think the mac is anywhere in evidence here. Please shut this down immediately, if not sooner. It's a fine discussion, but irrelevant for most. Thank you.
Carolyn H On Mar 7, 2011, at 2:02 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > I don't think the dollar is at work here. > > China hangs their currency against ours so that's not a factor and the Euro > is falling against the dollar. > > > On Mar 7, 2011, at 12:34 PM, Richie Gardenhire wrote: > >> Scott, To add to your point, consider that our dollar has been devaluated to >> the point that, when goods and services are imported to the US, our foreign >> competitors can flood our shores with things that are sometimes cheaper than >> what American companies can make them. Therefore, I would venture to say, >> there are more factors to consider than supply and demand. Richie >> Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. >> >> >> On Mar 7, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Scott Howell wrote: >> >> In reading this thread, I feel compelled to present a different argument to >> the high cost of Braille displays and thus will play devil's advocate here. >> It is possible that the high cost of Braille displays may be related to the >> fact that: >> 1. There is a small market, which means the cost will be naturally higher in >> order to offset the fact that fewer units would be purchased. >> 2. The cost of the components are produced at a much lower rate than the >> parts for other technology. FOr example, the cost of a display to be used in >> a monitor may be produced by the millions where the cells of a Braille >> display may be produced by the tens of thousands. This would mean that >> perhaps a lcd screen might cost $20 and the cells for a Braille display may >> be $20 per cell. >> 3. The cost of research and development is more do to the uniqueness of the >> product and specialized skill set. >> 4. Less competition in the market. COnsider that although several vendors >> sell Braille displays, only a few manufacturers actually produce them. In >> fact Baum makes displays they sell with their own name, but they also >> produce displays for APH, Human Ware, and perhaps others. >> >> There has been examples of how developers of adaptive technologies have >> produced products for less than hundreds and sold them for thousands. >> However, my argument stated above would justify this to some extent. >> COnsider that any company produces a product for X dollars and sells it for >> Y dollars. The X cost has to take into consideration research and >> development, marketing, distribution, and other overhead. Does this justify >> the cost of what most Braille displays? I could not answer that question >> because I have no idea what it really costs to produce such a device. I >> suppose you could make the argument that the research and development has >> probably been paid for several times over, but consider that innovation of >> new features and technology has not stopped either. I imagine if Braille >> displays were sold by the hundreds of thousands or millions the cost would >> be considerably less. So, I have not seen any evidence presented that >> supports the argument that "intrenched" providers artificially inflate >> prices to control the market at the expense of consumers. If there is some >> evidence to support this then great, but consider what you are saying would >> mean there is a conspiracy among the manufacturers and vendors. Does make >> for a fascinating discussion. >> >> On Mar 7, 2011, at 2:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Yeppers. That's why. >>> >>> On 07/03/2011, at 11:05, "Cheree Heppe" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Cheree Heppe here: >>>> >>>> Is that why we don't have universal, affordable, Braille displays? Because >>>> intrenched providers are holding new development and innivation back to >>>> benefit current high priced offerings? >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Cheree Heppe >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Scott Granados" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 10:32 >>>> Subject: Re: macbook air vs ipad 2 >>>> >>>> >>>> Apple isn't going to car if some nat of a company like fS brings legal >>>> action. >>>> >>>> Apple can simply use stalling tactics and let them run out of money >>>> spinning their wheels. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 6, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Jane wrote: >>>> >>>>> We're assuming they will do Braille. That'd be neat, *if* they can pull >>>>> it off and *if* Braille display makers don't push them out of the market >>>>> by constantly suing. >>>>> >>>>> Jane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:07 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yeah don't forget it's thinner. When haptics comes out think of the >>>>>> screen room you wil have for braille right there. >>>>>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 7:22 PM, Cheree wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheree Heppe here: >>>>>>> I like the IPad, actually. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I went for the I-devicees first because they open a very intuitive, >>>>>>> easy entre into the Apple environment. No commands and keystroke >>>>>>> chording and what seemed to me a quick start interface. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In a bit, I'm ggoing to get an Air or Mac, but would have done so with >>>>>>> much more trepidation if not having tried the I-devices first. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As to the base measurements of a PacMate being smaller than an IPad, >>>>>>> true, but that's only a single dimension. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Cheree Heppe >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 05/03/2011, at 19:07, "David Tanner" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, let's see, the iPad is clunkier to carry around than an iPhone >>>>>>>> or iTouch. The iPad is almost as expensive as buying the basic >>>>>>>> MacBook Pro 13 with two gigabytes of memory, and the processor in the >>>>>>>> new iPad is only a 1.0 gigahert duel core processor. The MacBook Pro >>>>>>>> 13 has a lot faster processor than that and so does the Ayer if you >>>>>>>> want to pay the higher price for solid state memory instead of a hard >>>>>>>> drive. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The iPad makes me think of all the blind folks that have complained >>>>>>>> about the size of the PacMate QT. In fact, I don't think that the >>>>>>>> PacMate QT would be as large in flat area as the iPad. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ricardo Walker" >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 6:46 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: macbook air vs ipad 2 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Me personally, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If I need to get work done, I would go with a Macbook air. Its a full >>>>>>>> fledged computer, and besides the added size, you will find yourself >>>>>>>> bumping up against less barriers when trying to get things done. >>>>>>>> Especially if you have an iPhone or iPod touch already. What are you >>>>>>>> really missing in not getting an iPad? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> JMO >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Denise Avant wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hello all, >>>>>>>>> i am contemplating getting another apple device. i need something >>>>>>>>> that is light to take when i travel. i was thinking of the ipad 2 >>>>>>>>> because you can get pages to write with. the only problem here is >>>>>>>>> that there is no port for external media like a usb drive, is there? >>>>>>>>> my other alternative is that i can get the macbook air. but its a >>>>>>>>> little bigger. i really don't need a screen. but i would have a port >>>>>>>>> for external media. of course i would miss all of those apps you can >>>>>>>>> have on the ipad. >>>>>>>>> that can be negated by the fact that i have an iphone. >>>>>>>>> well, i would be interested in hearing from 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