Hi, Simon. I think I can actually help you a bit as well. The function key plus delete erases forwards. Thanks for the great explanation. Christine On Mar 20, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
> Christine, > > I'm not sure about your strange character and number issue, but to comment on > the frustration you are experiencing with knowing where you are while editing > text, it is an initial learning problem for those of us who come over from > windows. I struggled with it for a long time. > > I will try to help. First of all, you have to bear in mind in which direction > you are moving your cursor. If the Voiceover has spoken a letter or a word, > it usually means that the cursor has passed over it. So, if you are moving > your right cursor letter by letter to the right, once you hear the letter it > means that your cursor is to the right of it and then you can confidently > press backspace to delete it. If you are moving your cursor to the left, once > you hear the letter spoken, the cursor is to the left of the letter jsut > spoken. The backspace key removes the letters and items backwards so to > speak. I have never worked out wehtehr on a mac computer you can delete > elements forwards. > > The same principle applies when moving through your text word by word using > option key plus arrow keys. If your are using your right arrow key with > option key, and you hear voiceover speak the word, you have passed it and > your cursor is to the right of it. Then pressing backspace with option+shift > keys will delete the word. This movement of the cursor is actually how > sighted people do it so it is difficult for those of us who come from Jaws > where the cursor movement is modified by the screen reader. > > The documents in which you get strange characters, have they been created by > you in textedit, or are you opening a different format of a document, let's > say MS word documents in textedit? > > Hope this helps, Christine. > > BEst wishes > > Simon > On 20 Mar 2011, at 22:45, Christine Grassman wrote: > >> No, I am positive I'm not hitting the backslash -- it isn't happening ever >> in Apple Mail, only in Text Edit files. I guess this is one for my One to >> One next Saturday. It is horribly frustrating. What *is* the purpose of the >> ruler, btw? >> Christine >> On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:18 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: >> >>> Hi Christine: >>> Forgive me for being simplistic. But, is it possible when typing that >>> you're hitting backslash when you're hitting enter. They're close one >>> above the other, and perhaps a fingernail is clipping the backslash. As >>> far as the numbers, I think there is a ruler that you can enable or >>> disable, which might account for the numbers. But, I think it would be >>> telling you "ruler" if it were. Beyond that, I'm stumped. Hope maybe this >>> helps a little. >>> >>> Take care >>> >>> Carolyn >>> >>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not converting anything, merely writing a document and saving it as an >>>> rtf file. When I go back into it, there's garbage at the top and >>>> backslashes wherever I put in a "new line". >>>> When I have converted Word files in rtf, then gone in to read/review >>>> them, there has been no such problem. >>>> Christine >>>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>>> >>>>> Christine, >>>>> >>>>> Editing on a Mac using VoiceOver is different than using Windows and a >>>>> windows screen reader. Some may explain it more effectively; however, has >>>>> to do with how the cursor behaves. Not sure about the characters in the >>>>> document, but sounds like a conversion problem. >>>>> >>>>> Scott Howell >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:50, Christine Grassman <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello, everyone. I am rather frustrated with Text Edit.n Whenever I >>>>>> review something I've written (after saving,) there is always a whole >>>>>> lot of numbers letters, and symbols at the top of the file. Also, >>>>>> whenever I enter a "new line" there appears a backslash. What is going >>>>>> on? Does this get sent with the file if I attach it to an e-mail? Thus >>>>>> far, the only thing I've been able to do is erase all the symbols at the >>>>>> top, then edit the file for backslashes. >>>>>> A somewhat related question: is there a way, simply by using the keys >>>>>> and without switching from words to characters and vice bersa, to move >>>>>> to characters -- I can read by character, but although cursor tracking >>>>>> is on, I always seem to be at the beginning or end of a word, rather >>>>>> than on the character being read. >>>>>> Additionally, sometimes when VO says a particular word, I am at the end, >>>>>> and other times I am at the beginning. This makes editing frustrating. >>>>>> How can I tell where I am? 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