Hi Tony,
I do agree, and see the potential usefulness of this sort of knowledge on 
occasions, such as the one JEff mentions.  However, I must disagree with the 
overall impression that browsing with Safari is less productive than with JFW.  
It does take some getting used to, but in particular I consider group mode one 
of the best things that ever happened to accessible web browsing.  I check the 
weather underground site mentioned every day, and find it no less useful with 
VO than under Jaws.  Maybe it's all a matter of what you use the web for, I 
don't know, or a case of bad page design on some sites.
Best,
Zack.
On May 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote:

> Selection problems like this are part of Geoff's difficulty, as well as
> mine. Also, while I don't mind using the VO DOM method of navigating, I
> sometimes do want to have a sense of where one line ends and the next begins
> for practical reasons. I think it would be quite an improvement if Apple
> were to add this ability to VO on the web.
> 
> Tony Hernandez
> http://dutyofman.net/
> Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His
> commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every
> work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether
> it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk
> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari
> 
> Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes it
> doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another
> website that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the
> first time I used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down
> through a page as opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It just
> takes a little time I guess.
> Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's
> another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you type
> in forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will
> develop something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for suing
> people for stealing their ideas.
> 
> Shawn
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