Right, it's a matter of what you use the web for. That's one of the many wonderful things about Voiceover. You can use different methods of web navigation for different types of activities. The word processor style helps with some things, but it isn't necessary or might even be a bit cumbersome in other situations. The group way is good for some things but might not be so good for other things. The DOM method is fine for things that group and word processor type navigation might not handle as well. In JAWS, Window Eyes, etc., navigation methods are more limited. iOS has a way to navigate by line, which I sometimes use but not always. OS X users would benefit from that approach as well.
Tony Hernandez http://dutyofman.net/ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 5:27 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari Hi Tony, I do agree, and see the potential usefulness of this sort of knowledge on occasions, such as the one JEff mentions. However, I must disagree with the overall impression that browsing with Safari is less productive than with JFW. It does take some getting used to, but in particular I consider group mode one of the best things that ever happened to accessible web browsing. I check the weather underground site mentioned every day, and find it no less useful with VO than under Jaws. Maybe it's all a matter of what you use the web for, I don't know, or a case of bad page design on some sites. Best, Zack. On May 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, Tony Hernandez wrote: > Selection problems like this are part of Geoff's difficulty, as well as > mine. Also, while I don't mind using the VO DOM method of navigating, I > sometimes do want to have a sense of where one line ends and the next begins > for practical reasons. I think it would be quite an improvement if Apple > were to add this ability to VO on the web. > > Tony Hernandez > http://dutyofman.net/ > Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep His > commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every > work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether > it be evil. (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14) > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Shawn Krasniuk > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 4:59 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Virtual viewer in Safari > > Hey. I don't experience any problems here with Safari although sometimes it > doesn't let me select a word I can't spell or a website within another > website that I can't spell and copy it. And sure, I got kinda confused the > first time I used Safari with VO. I was used to navigating up and down > through a page as opposed to left or right, but now I'm used to it. It just > takes a little time I guess. > Also about the Auto Forms Mode in JAWS and how VO handles forms, there's > another screen reader for Windows called System Access and it lets you type > in forms without extra keys as well. I highly doubt that Window-Eyes will > develop something like this, as Freedom Science Fiction is famous for suing > people for stealing their ideas. > > Shawn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
