Hi Alex and others. You said you were not familiar with dots seven and eight. Some of us on this list discovered that that is how you acquire computer braille on the Mac in VoiceOver, by turning on dots seven and eight. By the way, this was not explained in the VoiceOver information as far as I can remember, and this should be explained because it was not obvious even to experienced braille users like myself.
Dots seven and eight are used by many braille displays to indicate capitalization and control characters in computer braille. Dot seven appears right below dot 3. Dot 8 appears right below dot 6. The thing is, when you turn on dots 7 and 8 to get computer braille so you can read grade 2 files on the Mac, this causes, I found, all the letters and grade 2 signs to have dots seven and eight displayed in the file. On my braille display, I can turn them off while displaying in grade 2, so this doesn't happen. On my Mac, when I read grade 2 files, I have found it necessary for easy reading to do a transformation which means taking out all the uppercase. This works great in TextEdit. One of my options also is to read brf files on the Mac and do reports in Pages on the iPad. I have tried doing both on the computer, and find it a little bit time-consuming because of the need to go back and forth between files. Has anybody here been writing with Pages on their iPads under the new update? I have a few theories about how folks are reading brf files on their iPads, but unfortunately, I can't test it because I don't have a Focus 40 Blue. The person I was working with at Apple yesterday said I could test it, and that's great. However, I can't since I don't have one. Sorry for this being so long. Regards, Gigi On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Alex Hall wrote: > I've never used brf on the Mac, so am not quite following why dots 7 > and 8 would pop up all the time or what a "transformation" is. > However, I can tell you that you now have contracted or uncontracted > options, as well as an 8-dot option, all of which can be quickly > toggled on or off. Also, I have seen around the web that people like > the iOS5 update because they can read brf files more easily now. I am > still stumped as to how people are reading brf files in iOS at all, > but I have seen that it is better in iOS5, however one does it. > > On 10/19/11, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Hi Alex. >> thanks for the info. Now I thought of another question. I currently have my >> Mac set so that TextEdit calls up brf files. I understand these days that >> the iPad has Pages on it. When I called up brf files on my Mac, I had to do >> a transformation in TextEdit to get the file to display in lower case so >> that dots 7 and 8 were not turned on for every single letter of sign in >> grade two. >> >> I looked n Pages and I don't see a transformation option to change >> everything to lowercase like there is in TextEdit. Is there one that I have >> missed or is that not necessary with the new update? >> >> I would need to read a lot of brf files if I did get an iPad and put braille >> on it. >> >> Regards, >> Gigi >> >> On Oct 19, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> I think it's very comfortable, especially in iOS5 since we can now use >>> grade 1 or computer braille. This makes email/web addresses, math, and >>> other things easier to enter and can be turned on and off easily. As I >>> think I've said before, I can only come up with three commands you >>> can't do from a display: bring up the Notification Center, double tap >>> and hold (and so you can't move icons or clear the App Switcher of >>> them), and bring up the Item Chooser. You can swipe, use the rotor >>> (though speech comes on even if muted when you change the rotor >>> setting, a bug I have reported a few times to Apple), double tap, >>> select, mute/read with speech, control system volume, toggle the >>> screen curtain, enter text, action a "back" button from anywhere on >>> the screen, and so much more. I use my iPod with my bn apex a lot, so >>> feel free to ask if you have braille questions regarding iOS. >>> >>> On 10/19/11, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> Hi Teresa. >>>> What are the more braille commands, if that makes any sense? In other >>>> words, >>>> if I can't redo the commands, are the new commands enough so that it's >>>> comfortable to edit on an iPad? I'm at the Apple store right now doing >>>> some >>>> one on one training because I think I need to work some more on getting >>>> those tables done. You guys gave me some good ideas on that, so I'll see >>>> what happens. By the way, I think my braille display is behaving a little >>>> better since the new update. It seems to accept aye inputs more >>>> accurately. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Gigi >>>> >>>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>>> >>>>> At least the consolation as far as I'm concerned is that there are a lot >>>>> of Braille commands in IOS5, many more than in Lion. >>>>> >>>>> Teresa >>>>> >>>>> "Slow down; you'll get there faster." >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 18, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Even in iOS5, this is still true. Without jailbreaking and doing a lot >>>>>> of system file editing, there is no way to change the braille >>>>>> commands. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/18/11, Kristyn Leigh <krist...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Gigi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have the Focus 40 blue display. I use it with my Macbook Air, Mac >>>>>>> Mini, >>>>>>> and iPhone. You can customize braille key assignments in VO on the >>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>> , >>>>>>> but not in IOS unless it has changed in IOS 5. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kristyn >>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi guys. >>>>>>>> I have a question for those of you especially who have a Focus 40 >>>>>>>> Bluetooth display, and especially if you have paired it with an iPad. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> sent my PacMate braille display off today. Depending on what Freedom >>>>>>>> Scientific says about the cost of fixing it, I would like to do a >>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>> research. I might be able to use the PacMate display a little longer >>>>>>>> because it's not totally gone. It has a big problem with the whiz >>>>>>>> wheels, >>>>>>>> which for me is a problem because I have to roll braille up and down, >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> it's faster reading for me if I use it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, here's the question for you guys. How long does the battery on an >>>>>>>> iPad >>>>>>>> last if you use a bluetooth braille display? Do you like it? Can you >>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>> the keys for commands like delete, etc.? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks ahead of time. >>>>>>>> Gigi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Have a great day, >>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > Have a great day, > Alex (msg sent from GMail website) > mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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