Hi there. The way I had in mind would involve using the Mac and TextEdit and Pages to set up the file. It takes about thirty seconds to do a transformation in TextEdit to take out the uppercases. Then it could have all the text selected and saved out into a Pages file. That wouldn't take long all total, and it would only be worth it for a long file that you needed to have with you on your iPad.
I guess that means you have to get Pages as an ap on your iPad? It doesn't come on there already? Gigi On Oct 20, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Alex Hall wrote: > I see, and that is indeed strange. I don't have pages on my iPod since > I have heard that there are accessibility problems. Unfortunately, no > app on my iPod can open brf files (according to Dropbox), so I can't > test this, unless someone can recommend an app that can view these > files? > > On 10/20/11, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >> Hi Alex and others. >> You said you were not familiar with dots seven and eight. Some of us on this >> list discovered that that is how you acquire computer braille on the Mac in >> VoiceOver, by turning on dots seven and eight. By the way, this was not >> explained in the VoiceOver information as far as I can remember, and this >> should be explained because it was not obvious even to experienced braille >> users like myself. >> >> Dots seven and eight are used by many braille displays to indicate >> capitalization and control characters in computer braille. Dot seven appears >> right below dot 3. Dot 8 appears right below dot 6. >> >> The thing is, when you turn on dots 7 and 8 to get computer braille so you >> can read grade 2 files on the Mac, this causes, I found, all the letters and >> grade 2 signs to have dots seven and eight displayed in the file. On my >> braille display, I can turn them off while displaying in grade 2, so this >> doesn't happen. On my Mac, when I read grade 2 files, I have found it >> necessary for easy reading to do a transformation which means taking out all >> the uppercase. This works great in TextEdit. >> >> One of my options also is to read brf files on the Mac and do reports in >> Pages on the iPad. I have tried doing both on the computer, and find it a >> little bit time-consuming because of the need to go back and forth between >> files. Has anybody here been writing with Pages on their iPads under the new >> update? >> >> I have a few theories about how folks are reading brf files on their iPads, >> but unfortunately, I can't test it because I don't have a Focus 40 Blue. The >> person I was working with at Apple yesterday said I could test it, and >> that's great. However, I can't since I don't have one. >> >> Sorry for this being so long. >> >> Regards, >> Gigi >> >> On Oct 19, 2011, at 5:50 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >> >>> I've never used brf on the Mac, so am not quite following why dots 7 >>> and 8 would pop up all the time or what a "transformation" is. >>> However, I can tell you that you now have contracted or uncontracted >>> options, as well as an 8-dot option, all of which can be quickly >>> toggled on or off. Also, I have seen around the web that people like >>> the iOS5 update because they can read brf files more easily now. I am >>> still stumped as to how people are reading brf files in iOS at all, >>> but I have seen that it is better in iOS5, however one does it. >>> >>> On 10/19/11, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>> Hi Alex. >>>> thanks for the info. Now I thought of another question. I currently have >>>> my >>>> Mac set so that TextEdit calls up brf files. I understand these days that >>>> the iPad has Pages on it. When I called up brf files on my Mac, I had to >>>> do >>>> a transformation in TextEdit to get the file to display in lower case so >>>> that dots 7 and 8 were not turned on for every single letter of sign in >>>> grade two. >>>> >>>> I looked n Pages and I don't see a transformation option to change >>>> everything to lowercase like there is in TextEdit. Is there one that I >>>> have >>>> missed or is that not necessary with the new update? >>>> >>>> I would need to read a lot of brf files if I did get an iPad and put >>>> braille >>>> on it. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Gigi >>>> >>>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think it's very comfortable, especially in iOS5 since we can now use >>>>> grade 1 or computer braille. This makes email/web addresses, math, and >>>>> other things easier to enter and can be turned on and off easily. As I >>>>> think I've said before, I can only come up with three commands you >>>>> can't do from a display: bring up the Notification Center, double tap >>>>> and hold (and so you can't move icons or clear the App Switcher of >>>>> them), and bring up the Item Chooser. You can swipe, use the rotor >>>>> (though speech comes on even if muted when you change the rotor >>>>> setting, a bug I have reported a few times to Apple), double tap, >>>>> select, mute/read with speech, control system volume, toggle the >>>>> screen curtain, enter text, action a "back" button from anywhere on >>>>> the screen, and so much more. I use my iPod with my bn apex a lot, so >>>>> feel free to ask if you have braille questions regarding iOS. >>>>> >>>>> On 10/19/11, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>> Hi Teresa. >>>>>> What are the more braille commands, if that makes any sense? In other >>>>>> words, >>>>>> if I can't redo the commands, are the new commands enough so that it's >>>>>> comfortable to edit on an iPad? I'm at the Apple store right now doing >>>>>> some >>>>>> one on one training because I think I need to work some more on getting >>>>>> those tables done. You guys gave me some good ideas on that, so I'll >>>>>> see >>>>>> what happens. By the way, I think my braille display is behaving a >>>>>> little >>>>>> better since the new update. It seems to accept aye inputs more >>>>>> accurately. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Gigi >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 19, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> At least the consolation as far as I'm concerned is that there are a >>>>>>> lot >>>>>>> of Braille commands in IOS5, many more than in Lion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Slow down; you'll get there faster." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Even in iOS5, this is still true. Without jailbreaking and doing a >>>>>>>> lot >>>>>>>> of system file editing, there is no way to change the braille >>>>>>>> commands. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10/18/11, Kristyn Leigh <krist...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Gigi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have the Focus 40 blue display. I use it with my Macbook Air, Mac >>>>>>>>> Mini, >>>>>>>>> and iPhone. You can customize braille key assignments in VO on the >>>>>>>>> Mac >>>>>>>>> , >>>>>>>>> but not in IOS unless it has changed in IOS 5. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Kristyn >>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys. >>>>>>>>>> I have a question for those of you especially who have a Focus 40 >>>>>>>>>> Bluetooth display, and especially if you have paired it with an >>>>>>>>>> iPad. >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> sent my PacMate braille display off today. Depending on what >>>>>>>>>> Freedom >>>>>>>>>> Scientific says about the cost of fixing it, I would like to do a >>>>>>>>>> little >>>>>>>>>> research. I might be able to use the PacMate display a little >>>>>>>>>> longer >>>>>>>>>> because it's not totally gone. It has a big problem with the whiz >>>>>>>>>> wheels, >>>>>>>>>> which for me is a problem because I have to roll braille up and >>>>>>>>>> down, >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> it's faster reading for me if I use it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So, here's the question for you guys. How long does the battery on >>>>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>>>> iPad >>>>>>>>>> last if you use a bluetooth braille display? Do you like it? Can >>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>>> the keys for commands like delete, etc.? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks ahead of time. >>>>>>>>>> Gigi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com; 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