Oh yes, I'm going to write to the developer. Who knows what the next update brings. But what I like better on Mac developers than on them for Windows is they seem to be more open to the needs of the customers. Very often it is possible to find their ear. ;-) All the best Jürgen Am 24.02.2012 um 07:49 schrieb Simon Cavendish:
> Dear Jurgen, > > I am afraid I had made the wretched mistake of updating Tables to its latest > version as I moved to Lion so I do not have the Tables version where editing > cells was easier and worked better. I too like Tables a lot. It has quite a > few shortcut keys that seem to work like for selecting cells and it will also > tell you if the cell you have input text is clipped by another cell to the > right or left which may be significant. > > Maybe you could try and e-mail the Tables designer as well to let him know > that we are having some issues. I found his e-mail on the Tables website but > I can't find it now and I will be off to work shortly. > > With best wishes > > Simon > On 24 Feb 2012, at 06:41, Jürgen Fleger wrote: > >> Hello Simon, >> >> that workes, thanks. The only issue: VO doesn't anounce the character when >> using the arrow keys. Is that the issue in the latest version you meant? >> Could you send me the version you work with? >> j.fle...@gmx.de >> Because actually it seems to be a great program. Navigating is much faster >> then in Numbers. And there are features I miss in Numbers such as CMD + >> arrow keys and Option + arrow keys to reach specific parts of a sheet. >> >> Thanks and all the best >> Jürgen >> Am 24.02.2012 um 07:34 schrieb Simon Cavendish: >> >>> When focused on the cell you wish to change data in, press F2 key which >>> will put you in the editing mode. Then you should be able to use your >>> cursor keys. Once done, press tab. In the previous version of Tables, this >>> worked very well. The latest update has rendered this important function >>> more difficult. I noticed it as soon as I had installed the latest version. >>> I reported it to the developer but had no answer from him. I only hope that >>> he is going to improve it. In the past, he was rather sympathetic to >>> Voiceover users. I was disappointed with this negative change as Tables >>> worked for me far better than Numbers. >>> >>> Sorry I have no better news. >>> On 23 Feb 2012, at 06:47, Jürgen Fleger wrote: >>> >>>> No Rafael, that's not what I asked for. I know how to enter data. But I >>>> want to change existing data in the cells. >>>> Imagine you have an address of a friend in a cell. His telephone number >>>> changes and you want to change just the number. How to do this in Tables? >>>> I don't see this important possibility accessible with VoiceOver. >>>> Again: how to change specific data in a cell? >>>> Not entering data in an empty cell. That's easy. >>>> Hopefully my question is clearer now. >>>> Jürgen >>>> Am 22.02.2012 um 16:26 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.: >>>> >>>>> Tables has a data entry field. That is where data are entered into each >>>>> cell. If you cannot find the data entry field on your own, you may >>>>> benefit from sighted help to find it the first time. Place your cursor >>>>> in the field, making sure VO is not locked. You can then type or paste >>>>> in data and formulae. If you type in the data entry field, press the >>>>> return (enter) key to get the data into the cell. The arrow keys are >>>>> used to move between cells. >>>>> >>>>> Rafael >>>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 2:17 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Rafael, >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks for your hints. So far Tables works fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> But what I meant was how to edit a cell and change inserted content. >>>>>> That doesn't work here for me. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I could find out I have to enter the edit mode of a chosen >>>>>> cell by pressing F2. VO anounces "edit". But then it's not possible to >>>>>> read or delete single characters or to navigate through the content of a >>>>>> cell just by using the arrow keys. Of course I can navigate by using VO >>>>>> + arrow keys but. I should say that I use a sheet like a two dimensional >>>>>> notepad. I don't use it as a calculator and so I don't need formulas in >>>>>> a cell. But to take notes and so I enter a lot of text in it. So it's >>>>>> quite important for me to delete parts of the text and enter new content. >>>>>> >>>>>> So: How do you delete parts of text in a cell and how to enter just one >>>>>> word in a text of a cell? Deleting a whole cell is easily possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks and all the best >>>>>> Jürgen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am 22.02.2012 um 05:45 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.: >>>>>> >>>>>>> If you are using an Intel-based Mac, then the first thing to do when >>>>>>> you open the Tables application is to get the cursor out of the table. >>>>>>> Press Shift, Control, Option, up-arrow together, in order to get out of >>>>>>> the table where the cursor is pointing. Press this key combination >>>>>>> again to get out of the spreadsheet. Do these things first, or the >>>>>>> following instructions won't make sense. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Basically, there are two ways to read a cell's contents in Tables. The >>>>>>> first way is to place the cursor over the field in which one enters >>>>>>> numbers, formulae, and so on. If you choose this option, make sure VO >>>>>>> is not locked, so that you can use the arrow keys to move from cell to >>>>>>> cell (i.e., left arrow to move to the left, bottom arrow to move down, >>>>>>> etc.). This is a simple option that allows you to navigate from cell >>>>>>> to cell, to read each cell's contents, and to enter data into >>>>>>> individual cells, all from the data-entry field. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The second way to move around in Tables is somewhat more complicated. >>>>>>> To make things easier, first lock VO (by pressing >>>>>>> control-option-semicolon). Next, enter the spreadsheet, by pressing >>>>>>> shift and the down-arrow key together. At this level, you will be able >>>>>>> to move the VO cursor with the arrow keys and read the letters >>>>>>> designating the columns (i.e., Column A, Column B, etc.), as well as >>>>>>> the row numbers (i.e., Row 1, Row 2, etc.). To access the individual >>>>>>> cells, navigate to the table (VO says "table when you've found it). >>>>>>> With VO still locked, press the shift and down-arrow keys together >>>>>>> again. That will put you in the table of cells, from which point >>>>>>> onward you can just use the arrow keys to navigate from cell to cell. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope this helps. Let me know if you have any other questions, and >>>>>>> I'll do my best to try to answer them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cordially, >>>>>>> Rafael >>>>>>> ________________________________________ >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Jürgen Fleger [apple-engl...@fleger.net] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 3:52 PM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: numbers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Rafael, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tried Tables and it's much faster to work with then with Numbers. But >>>>>>> what I didn't understand was how to read text in a cell. I pressed F2 >>>>>>> to edit the cell and couldn't have VO to read text by pressing arrow >>>>>>> keys. Did I something wrong or does Tables not support VO that much? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All the best Jürgen >>>>>>> Am 20.02.2012 um 18:24 schrieb Bejarano, Rafael P.: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If your spreadsheet needs are not very complicated, you might wish to >>>>>>>> consider Tables. It's the spreadsheet app that I use on the Mac, and >>>>>>>> I really like it. It has all the usual functions, and you can enter >>>>>>>> your own formulae, as well. You can save your work as xl files, too. >>>>>>>> Creating graphs is somewhat limited, however. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rafael Bejarano >>>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2012, at 10:16 AM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good day everyone. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, I guess I can't avoid it any longer. Drn school stuff. Is there >>>>>>>> a place where I could find tutorials on how to use numbers? 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