this does sound like a resolution issue where the required component is not being mapped to the display or voiceover directly. if we all flag this to accessibility and safari bug reporting, then this should come up as a priority fix in mountain lion which as I understand is due out in the next few months. Am looking forward to testing it out.
lew On 20 Mar 2012, at 20:59, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Well, for my part, on my 15 inch Mac book pro, the download window has never > ever failed to show when required. > > Not using full screen on Safari by the way. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Mar 20, 2012, at 3:15 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: > >> Hi, I have a 15 inch macbook pro and I to, have these issues where the >> downloads window doesn't show up. >> Matt >> Sent from my mac >> Twitter: matt692 >> msn and aim: [email protected] >> skype: blindman3221 >> >> On 2012-03-20, at 4:09 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Søren, >>> >>> No, I've never had a MacBook larger than 13 inches. And I've never typed >>> more than occasionally on desktop Macs, so I haven't experienced these >>> issues. This sounds like the issues are screen-resolution/size specific. >>> I wonder whether anyone else with the larger Mac laptops can report on >>> their experiences with Safari. I do note that the major reason I've found >>> to delay upgrades between major releases of Mac OS X is usually the new >>> behavior of Safari. Also, the first system versions after a new release >>> may show up more VoiceOver focus issues than previously experienced in >>> mature, stable releases. >>> >>> Thanks for reporting on your experience. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Esther. >>>> >>>> So you have a Macbook pro 15 inch? Safari works differently with VOiceover >>>> on a 15 inch Macbook. I've experienced things like focusing issues in java >>>> windows, the mouse getting stuck on the desctop while moving it to the >>>> webpage with VO command f5, and clicking by pressing VO shift spacebar and >>>> the other weird issue by bringing up the downloads folder. >>>> I know people who have a macbook 13 inch and an iMac, where this doesn't >>>> happen. >>>> Best regards: >>>> Søren Jensen >>>> Mail & MSN: >>>> [email protected] >>>> Website: >>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>>> >>>> Den 20/03/2012 kl. 17.35 skrev Esther: >>>> >>>>> Hi Søren, >>>>> >>>>> That's interesting. I'm using a MacBook Air with Lion. When I go to >>>>> full screen mode by pressing command ctrl f in Safari, my toolbar is >>>>> displayed even if I have hidden it. I can check this by navigating to >>>>> the menu bar with either ctrl F2 or VO m, then going to the "View" menu >>>>> and arrowing down. If I check this menu before toggling to full screen >>>>> mode, the first entry shows as "Show Toolbar". And in this mode, with my >>>>> toolbar hidden, when I press ctrl option l there is no downloads window >>>>> displayed, even though VoiceOver says "Show Downloads". If I show my >>>>> toolbar, either by using the "View" menu option or the shortcut for >>>>> toggling the toolbar between show and hide, which is ctrl shift backslash >>>>> on an English language input keyboard, then the downloads window will >>>>> show up when I press ctrl option l. >>>>> >>>>> Similarly, making Safari run in full screen mode by toggling this on with >>>>> command ctrl f will also let my downloads window show up when I press >>>>> ctrl option l. But what happens here is that my toolbar is forcibly >>>>> shown when I'm in full screen mode. If I navigate to the menu bar and >>>>> check the "View" menu while in full screen mode, the first menu entry >>>>> will show up as "Hide Toolbar" and will also be announced as "dimmed", >>>>> indicating that I can't change this. Furthermore, I can test whether the >>>>> toolbar is present by using the shortcut ctrl F5 for navigating to the >>>>> toolbar. When my toolbar is hidden, pressing ctrl F5 will not take me to >>>>> the toolbar, because it's hidden. As previously stated, in this mode I >>>>> can't see the downloads window when I press command option l. If I show >>>>> my toolbar, and am not in full screen mode, then pressing ctrl F5 takes >>>>> me to the "Back button" of the toolbar. Now, even if my toolbar is >>>>> hidden when I am not in full screen mode, once I press command ctrl f, >>>>> and VoiceOver says "Enter Full Screen", it becomes visible. If I press >>>>> ctrl F5, I'll be taken to the "Back button", and I check the "View" menu, >>>>> "Hide Toolbar" appears as dimmed. And because the toolbar is now >>>>> forcibly shown, even though it was originally hidden when not in full >>>>> screen mode, pressing command option l now shows me my downloads folder. >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if the difference in behavior, where I can view the downloads >>>>> folder when the toolbar is not hidden without having to run Safari in >>>>> full screen mode, is another one of those instances of English-specific >>>>> shortcut key mapping? I know that UK users are also able to view the >>>>> downloads folder if their toolbar is not hidden, without having to put >>>>> Safari into full screen mode. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Esther >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 20, 2012, at 4:43 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi. >>>>>> >>>>>> On my Macbook pro 15 inch, I can only bring up the downloads folder if >>>>>> I'm running safari in full screen. If I don't have the full screen >>>>>> activated by pressing command ctrl f, then Voiceover just says something >>>>>> like showing the downoads folder. I have not hidden my toolbar. >>>>>> Best regards: >>>>>> Søren Jensen >>>>>> Mail & MSN: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> Website: >>>>>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>>>>> >>>>>> Den 20/03/2012 kl. 08.24 skrev Esther: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi May, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Command-Option-L to bring up the Safari downloads window only works if >>>>>>> you do not have your toolbar hidden. If your toolbar is hidden, then >>>>>>> even though VoiceOver says "Show Downloads" when you use this shortcut, >>>>>>> nothing is displayed. So you might press Command-Shift-Backslash to >>>>>>> toggle your Safari toolbar to be shown before trying that shortcut. >>>>>>> Also, you can navigate to a "Show Downloads" button in the toolbar and >>>>>>> press it with VO-Space to show your downloads window. I have the vague >>>>>>> impression that when I first upgraded to Lion, I may have had to press >>>>>>> that button once, to later get my downloads window to show. Again, this >>>>>>> only works if your toolbar is not hidden. You can press >>>>>>> Command-Option-F to navigate to the Google Search field, then VO-Right >>>>>>> arrow to the "Show Downloads" button, and press it with VO-Space. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Esther >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:08 PM, May McDonald wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hmm, ok when I do that it says show downloads but still nothing. >>>>>>>> Something else I need to do maybe? >>>>>>>> On 2012-03-20, at 2:59 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrong command. Its command option L to bring up the downloads window. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hth >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>>>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 20, 2012, at 2:58 AM, May McDonald <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Good evening everyone. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Can someone please tell me how I go about getting the download >>>>>>>>>> window to pop up like it us to with SL in Lion? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Doing command l then going to the download button is not doing it >>>>>>>>>> which is what silly Apple told me to do. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> May and Prince Noah >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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