Hi all, Even though some of you have success using VO-Backslash and others swear by left and right arrow keys, the 2 are very similar but are still different. In the VoiceOver Getting Started guide, VO-Backslash is an official VoiceOver command, but left and right arrow keys are not. The function of VO-Backslash is to expand and collapse treeviews and disclosure triangles. In Mail, conversations can be expanded and collapsed using either keyboard combinations. But in other apps such as iTunes, you will not be able to use left and right arrow keys. For example, in the Sources treeview, you must use VO-Backslash to expand and collapse playlists. Why the difference, I can't tell you. But I do know that if you come across anything that VoiceOver announces is expandable and collapsible, it's a guarantee VO-backslash will work. As far as why VO-backslash does not work for some of you, keep in mind that when you are in the messages table, in order for VO-backslash to work on the conversation column, you must interact with the table. You don't necessarily need to interact with the conversations column, but you must interact with the messages table in order for the function to work.
On 7/27/12, Steve Holmes <[email protected]> wrote: > One wierd thing I noticed last night with Mail is the mailboxes that > VO says are at level zero had to be expanded or collapsed with > VO-backslash but the other boxes with higher level numbers could be > expanded and collapsed with right and left arrows like I always do. > It was just the top level (level 0) entries that I had to use the > vo-backslash. Not sure of why the difference. Beyond that, I have > mail working nearly perfectly for me now. > > PS: I think a month or so, some of my settings for Mail got reverted > and messed up some of my IMAP folders on gmail but I got them > straightened out now. Now if they would just stick and not revert in > the future, all will be good. > > On 7/27/12, Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thanks Greg. I did, thanks to Les, get the boxes uncollapsed. However, >> it's >> not as good and convenient that way it was before, so when I get a chance >> I >> will try what you did. I need to remember how to get into classic view. >> >> >> Eugenia Firth >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Greg Aikens <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Gigi, >>> I was having this same problem. NO matter how many people suggested >>> that >>> I use VO \, it just wouldn't open for me. But, I did a couple of things >>> and was able to fix my problem. I'm not exactly sure which of these did >>> it, so maybe you can try them all? >>> >>> First, I switched to classic view. I then went to my list of mailboxes >>> and when I got to the collapsed account, I interacted with it and tried >>> VO >>> \ on it. This worked to expand the collapsed folder structure. I then >>> went back to modern view and tried it a few times and it also worked to >>> interact first and then try VO \. Not sure why this worked, but it did. >>> >>> >>> I would try interacting with the collapsed folder and then hitting VO \. >>> I don't really think switching to classic view did anything for me. >>> >>> I hope this works for you like it did for me. I was very frustrated >>> before this worked. >>> >>> -Greg >>> >>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:50 AM, Gigi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys >>>> Well, last night I had to call the 877 number to talk to them about >>>> this >>>> weird problem. It is being referred to the engineering people. Because, >>>> the screens of the siding people are just like ours but they can use, >>>> of >>>> course, there are Mousas to go over the thing to select it. I just got >>>> told last night there's no way to do it with voiceover. I am supposed >>>> to >>>> get a phone call about this later. He asked me if I wanted to get an >>>> email or phone call. >>>> For right now, I canceled all the rules I head. That way, at least I >>>> can >>>> get everything in my inbox. Of course, I can also get mail on my iPhone >>>> fortunately. >>>> Regards >>>> Gigi >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Greg Aikens <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I am having the same problem. My inbox is expanded so that I see the >>>>> separate inboxes for my separate accounts. However, I can't see the >>>>> list of folders under each account. These used to appear below my >>>>> trash >>>>> folder in the list of mailboxes. In Lion, I could hide these folders >>>>> by >>>>> clicking on a disclosure triangle for each account. Using VO+down >>>>> arrow >>>>> on the list of mailboxes allows me to move past the trash folder to >>>>> items with the names of my email accounts and a disclosure triangle. >>>>> When I interact with these items to try and press the triangle to >>>>> expand >>>>> the list, I can't. VO+space, pressing enter, left and right arrows >>>>> won't do it. >>>>> >>>>> Any other suggestions? >>>>> >>>>> -Greg >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 26, 2012, at 12:26 PM, Matthew Campbell >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi. >>>>>> Is you're mailbox list expanded? >>>>>> Go to you inbox which'll be at the top, and hit right arrow. THis'll >>>>>> expand the mailboxes for you. >>>>>> HTH, >>>>>> Matthew Campbell. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2012-07-26, at 1:09 PM, Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi guys. >>>>>>> I got Mountain Kitty installed just fine, even though it took >>>>>>> forever. >>>>>>> I'm really pleased that I could do the installation process myself, >>>>>>> but I'm glad also that Les warned us about turning VoiceOver back on >>>>>>> after a minute. I almost had heart failure when I pressed command 5 >>>>>>> and nothing happened for a second or two. I did have to call that >>>>>>> great 877 number last night because a program I thought I had >>>>>>> uninstalled insisted on raising up its ugly head, even though I >>>>>>> had—I >>>>>>> thought—erased all of its files. That took us a while, and the man >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> very nice and knowledgeable about things. I discovered ast night >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> I had this weird mail problem, but we couldn't get to that last >>>>>>> night. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't get to all my mailboxes. The one where I have messages sent >>>>>>> for this list is one of them. I will need to use iPhone to read >>>>>>> anything from this list right now. I can get to my inbox and some >>>>>>> others like archives. However, some of the ones I created I can't >>>>>>> find. I don't think they're gone—I onepe—because I keep hearing the >>>>>>> messages coming in, but I can't reach them unless they're in my >>>>>>> inbox. >>>>>>> Anybody got any ideas on this one? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Eugenia Firth >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> [email protected]. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> [email protected]. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- Shen [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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