Hi, As previously mentioned, this is not a VO or Mail bug, it is simply the way Mail behaves when the Preview pane is active. It has been this way for VO users since Tiger. It primarily has to do with cursors following each other. In the sighted world, the user clicks their mouse on the specific message, the Preview pane appears and the message is considered "REad". In our VO world, the message is selected as we navigate over it thus Mail considers it "Read".
For those of us who are bothered by this, we eliminate the problem by disabling the Preview pane. As Alex mentioned, you can then open messages by pressing return on them and then pressing cmd-w to close the message or conversation. I will paste below instructions that I posted a few times earlier that do the job. There are instructions for both the Classic and Standard Mail views. By default, Mail is in the new Standard view, so if you haven't changed that in the View pane of your Mail Prefs, then you are in Standard view. > 1. Removing the Preview Pane in Classic layout: > > • Navigate to the Horizontal Splitter that is to the right of the Messages > table. > • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if needed). This will bring the mouse to the VO > cursor and announce where the mouse is and it should read "Horizontal > Splitter". > • Double-click on your Trackpad or alternatively, you can press near the top > of the Trackpad and drag to the bottom. Make sure in this case that you > actually make the Trackpad button depress so that the drag action will work. > > 2. Removing the Preview Pane for non-Classic layout: > > • Navigate to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column > Group. > • Press VO-cmd-f5 (add FN if necessary) to bring the mouse to the VO cursor. > It will announce Vertical Splitter if it did what it was supposed to do. > • Double-click on the Trackpad or alternatively, put your finger near the > left hand side of the Trackpad, then drag to the far right and release. As > in the first case, make sure that you depress the Trackpad button so that the > dragging process will occur. > > Note that in the Classic layout, you are dealing with a Horizontal Splitter > and in the non-Classic layout, you are dealing with a Vertical Splitter. Each > case requires a different dragging direction if you choose that option. > > There are a couple of ways of determining if it worked. Firstly, you can > navigate around the Mail screen and if you don't hear anything about "Message > Content Area", life is good. > > The second method is a little more complicated but tells you for sure. In > Classic layout, navigate to the Horizontal Splitter to the right of the "New > Mailbox Action" menu. You'll notice two Horizontal splitters, one after the > Messages Table and this one that I'm talking about. Once you've located this > Horizontal Splitter, Interact with it and press VO-down. Vo will announce > "Collapsed" which is what you want to hear. In non-Classic layout, navigate > to the Vertical Splitter just to the right of the Messages Column Group and > Interact with it. Press VO-right and VO will announce "Collapsed" if the > Preview pane is gone. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-09-21, at 2:37 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> wrote: > Well, I still have the problem even though I've done what Alex has said. > On 21 Sep 2012, at 04:46, Veronica Elsea <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Kawal, I was really hoping that this would get fixed in the newest update. I >> noticed this problem starting with Mountain Lion. The weird thing is that >> today I noticed that after checking my mail on my Macbook, when I looked at >> it again in Thunderbird on my windows machine, it was also marked as read. >> So I can't figure out whether this is a mail problem, improperly marking >> messages, or whether this is a VoiceOver problem, not reading the status >> correctly. If anyone has figured this out, I'd sure appreciate the info so I >> could report this accurately to Apple. It makes reading the mail not very >> pleasant any more, for sure. Thanks for bringing this up here. >> >> Veronica >> >> >> Watch and hear Veronica Elsea's Prayer for a Soldier at >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFoIhWrBHFI >> Then find more music from Veronica Elsea and The Guide Dog Glee Club at: >> http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com >> Veronica Elsea, Owner >> Laurel Creek Music Designs >> Santa Cruz, California >> Phone: 831-429-6407 >> >> >> On 9/20/2012 3:22 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >>> Looks as if I have lots of problems with mail. If this subject has been >>> discussed before please excuse me. >>> >>> When I go up and down all the e-mails without opening them, I notice that >>> even though the mails have not been opened, It is as if I have read the >>> mails even though this is not the case. If any one has reported this to >>> Apple please let me know as I don't want to send the same again if they >>> know about the problem. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Kawal. >>> >>> p.s. God I prefer reading mail on the I phone although god knows if that >>> will be the case in IOS six. May be I'll be sending raving mails once I've >>> tried and I don't like it. Or I might like the experience even more and >>> never read my mail on the mac again. 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