Hi Alex,
Again terrific answers.
So if I understand this, it is sort of like a house.
bootcamp requires you to basically pick up your keys go outside and
stand in the yard for a while before you can do a task.
where the virtual structure like emware fusion simple lets you open
the desk
for that extra pad of paper so to speak?
The down side as you explain to vm is possible keyboard problems. Still
if you are using whatever speech program you have for windows or Linux,
you would
want to turn voiceover off regardless would you not?
seems less confusing for whatever program you are running in virtual mode.
How complicated is the emware fusion setup to accomplish?
I suppose it is free? it strikes me that boot camp may be more trouble
then it is worth since
one loses the swift ease of just doing the task you want to do.
And more than likely those tasks will be fewer and fewer over time.
Thanks again,
Karen
On Mon, 3 Jun 2013, Alex Hall wrote:
Apple does not, but blind people do. Parallels and Virtualbox are both mostly
to totally inaccessible, so everyone I know uses VMWare Fusion. As to which is
better (a vm or bootcamp), it depends. VMs take up resources, so your Mac has,
say, half the ram it usually has and less of the processor. Also, there can be
some odd keyboard problems that cause trouble for screen readers, and it is
sometimes necessary to turn off Voiceover while in a vm, then turn it on to use
the mac. The flip side, though, is that bootcamp requires you to restart the
computer to boot into the OS you want, so you can't use both at the same time
and you can't do fancy things like clone your windows to copy it to another
computer, which you can do with a vm. However, since bootcamp lets Windows run
natively, there are no keyboard oddities and the booted OS, whichever it is,
can use the full resources of the computer. Oh, one more point: a vm can be set
to grow as necessary, taking up little room on the hard drive so long as there
is little on it. However, a bootcamp setup requires you to portion off a
section of your hard drive dedicated to Windows, which, if you over-estimate
your disk space needs, can lead to wasted space you could be using on the Mac
side of things.
On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote:
Alex,
Your late night expressions are sensational.
That made perfect sense to me.
Thanks for the distention between boot camp, not right for this hypothetical
discussion, and a true virtual environment which seems preferable.
I dare say as with everything computer people have their personal
favorites...those who still do this of course.
Does apple have a favorite? A virtual tool they recommend or include in their
offerings? If not just how is this done?
Thanks again Alex,
Kare
On Mon, 3 Jun 2013, Alex Hall wrote:
Bootcamp is where you can choose to boot the computer into OSX or Windows. A virtual machine is
where you boot into OSX, then run a copy of Windows or Linux inside a virtual machine
application like Virtual Box, Parallels, or Fusion. The advantage of the latter is that, to the
mac, Windows is just another running application, so you can switch into and out of it and keep
using your mac apps even as you use Windows. To Windows (or whatever OS is running virtually),
though, you are booted into a normal computer. That is, the virtual OS has no clue it is
virtual, since the virtual machine application is basically providing a "computer"
built of software, tricking the OS into running normally. Sounds, keyboards, displays...
everything is provided by the mac hardware, but the virtual OS treats it like its own. I hope
that makes some sense - it's pretty late here, so I'm not sure how coherent my message will
look in the morning. <smile>
On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi folks,
The stuff that lands on my desk sometimes!
Anyway, I know some here run their mac in a virtual environment with another
operating system, Linux perhaps even windows.
I imagine for this to work, you still use all mac hardware do you not? Say you
have a macbook, but you are running the virtual environment with xp. Its boot
camp, or is it something else?
and how do you swing the windows screen reader on the more superior mac laptop?
Same keyboard of course, but jaws will talk using the mac sound setup?
Correct my assumptions pleas as I may be wrong about how this works for you.
how if you were doing the easier thing then Linux, by running windows xp how
it would come together?
Thanks,
Karen
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