Well, so long as no windows keystrokes are also VO keystrokes, you don't really need to turn it off. Plus, most VM managers have a special key to toggle between giving the virtual OS the keyboard and giving the Mac the keyboard, so as long as the virtual OS has it and you don't hit that key, you're fine.
I love the explanation of the house, I'm going to have to borrow that! Yes, the setup is tedious, and yes, I now find myself seldom using Windows and wishing I'd just spent the cash for a VM in the first place. It took about a year, but I'm now so used to the mac and the integration it has with my iPhone that I don't boot Windows except when I want to play an audio game. In fact, I'm buying VMWare Fusion for my business Mac, instead of going the bootcamp route on that one like I did my personal mac a couple years ago. I've never done this, so can't speak to the ease of setup, but I will let you all know once i do it. Still, I hear the process is easy, aside from Windows installations being inaccessible of course, so no big deal there. On Jun 3, 2013, at 6:09 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Alex, > Again terrific answers. > So if I understand this, it is sort of like a house. > bootcamp requires you to basically pick up your keys go outside and stand in > the yard for a while before you can do a task. > where the virtual structure like emware fusion simple lets you open the desk > for that extra pad of paper so to speak? > The down side as you explain to vm is possible keyboard problems. Still if > you are using whatever speech program you have for windows or Linux, you > would want to turn voiceover off regardless would you not? > seems less confusing for whatever program you are running in virtual mode. > How complicated is the emware fusion setup to accomplish? > I suppose it is free? it strikes me that boot camp may be more trouble > then it is worth since one loses the swift ease of just doing the task you > want to do. > And more than likely those tasks will be fewer and fewer over time. > > Thanks again, > Karen > > On Mon, 3 Jun 2013, Alex Hall wrote: > >> Apple does not, but blind people do. Parallels and Virtualbox are both >> mostly to totally inaccessible, so everyone I know uses VMWare Fusion. As to >> which is better (a vm or bootcamp), it depends. VMs take up resources, so >> your Mac has, say, half the ram it usually has and less of the processor. >> Also, there can be some odd keyboard problems that cause trouble for screen >> readers, and it is sometimes necessary to turn off Voiceover while in a vm, >> then turn it on to use the mac. The flip side, though, is that bootcamp >> requires you to restart the computer to boot into the OS you want, so you >> can't use both at the same time and you can't do fancy things like clone >> your windows to copy it to another computer, which you can do with a vm. >> However, since bootcamp lets Windows run natively, there are no keyboard >> oddities and the booted OS, whichever it is, can use the full resources of >> the computer. Oh, one more point: a vm can be set to grow as necessary, >> taking up little room on the hard drive so long as there is little on it. >> However, a bootcamp setup requires you to portion off a section of your hard >> drive dedicated to Windows, which, if you over-estimate your disk space >> needs, can lead to wasted space you could be using on the Mac side of things. >> On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:37 AM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Alex, >>> Your late night expressions are sensational. >>> That made perfect sense to me. >>> Thanks for the distention between boot camp, not right for this >>> hypothetical discussion, and a true virtual environment which seems >>> preferable. >>> I dare say as with everything computer people have their personal >>> favorites...those who still do this of course. >>> Does apple have a favorite? A virtual tool they recommend or include in >>> their offerings? If not just how is this done? >>> Thanks again Alex, >>> Kare >>> >>> On Mon, 3 Jun 2013, Alex Hall wrote: >>> >>>> Bootcamp is where you can choose to boot the computer into OSX or Windows. >>>> A virtual machine is where you boot into OSX, then run a copy of Windows >>>> or Linux inside a virtual machine application like Virtual Box, Parallels, >>>> or Fusion. The advantage of the latter is that, to the mac, Windows is >>>> just another running application, so you can switch into and out of it and >>>> keep using your mac apps even as you use Windows. To Windows (or whatever >>>> OS is running virtually), though, you are booted into a normal computer. >>>> That is, the virtual OS has no clue it is virtual, since the virtual >>>> machine application is basically providing a "computer" built of software, >>>> tricking the OS into running normally. Sounds, keyboards, displays... >>>> everything is provided by the mac hardware, but the virtual OS treats it >>>> like its own. I hope that makes some sense - it's pretty late here, so I'm >>>> not sure how coherent my message will look in the morning. <smile> >>>> On Jun 2, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Karen Lewellen <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> The stuff that lands on my desk sometimes! >>>>> Anyway, I know some here run their mac in a virtual environment with >>>>> another operating system, Linux perhaps even windows. >>>>> I imagine for this to work, you still use all mac hardware do you not? >>>>> Say you have a macbook, but you are running the virtual environment with >>>>> xp. Its boot camp, or is it something else? >>>>> and how do you swing the windows screen reader on the more superior mac >>>>> laptop? >>>>> Same keyboard of course, but jaws will talk using the mac sound setup? >>>>> Correct my assumptions pleas as I may be wrong about how this works for >>>>> you. >>>>> how if you were doing the easier thing then Linux, by running windows xp >>>>> how it would come together? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Karen >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>>> email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Have a great day, >>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >>>> [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Have a great day, >> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) [email protected] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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