My husband uses both Office and iWork on the Mac and he prefers iWork. He finds Numbers much more responsive than Excel but, of course, he isn't using VoiceOver. Oh and by the way, iWork09 came out several years after VoiceOver, which has been around since April 29 2005.
Cheers, Anne On 21 Jun 2013, at 17:45, Richard Ring <[email protected]> wrote: > I think this is a very good point! Although, I know a lot of sighted people > who use Office on the Mac. > > > You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding > Sent from my Mac Book Pro > [email protected] > > On Jun 21, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Chris Blouch <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Makes me wonder if it's not a tactical reasoning for MS to not make Office >> work on the Mac? Certainly not in their best interest to have more folks go >> to OSX. >> >> CB >> >> On 6/21/13 10:39 AM, Richard Ring wrote: >>> Forgive for my blasphemy, but doing a find is far easier in Excell for >>> windows. It's things like this which cause people either rightfully or >>> wrongfully to say that the Mac is not a good productivity tool for blind >>> folks. >>> >>> >>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of >>> Fielding >>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >>> [email protected] >>> >>> On Jun 21, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I agree that the find command, which works in other applications with the >>>> VO keys and f, should work in Numbers as well. Since Apple is busy making >>>> changes to iWorks, I hope that's on our wish list for VoiceOver for this >>>> to be fixed. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Gigi >>>> >>>> On Jun 21, 2013, at 12:01 AM, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Ann, I will definitely try all this, and it good to hear that Find >>>>> works, but seriously are you kidding me, that is a little ridiculous to >>>>> have to do all of that for a simple find/search in a document. Again, >>>>> glad to hear it works, but there has got to be a much easier way. >>>>> On Jun 20, 2013, at 5:04 PM, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Brian, >>>>>> >>>>>> It's perfectly possible to search for content with VO in Numbers. I just >>>>>> tried it and it works in Mountain Lion. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To find specific content, >>>>>> Turn cursor tracking off; >>>>>> Press Command-f and enter search term; >>>>>> Navigate down and interact with scroll area; >>>>>> Interact with table: >>>>>> Find desired result; >>>>>> Bring mouse to VO cursor and do a mouse click (VO-Shift-Space); >>>>>> Stop interacting with table and scroll area; >>>>>> Navigate up to next scroll area; >>>>>> Interact with scroll area, Layout area, and Layout item; >>>>>> You will be on the selected cell; >>>>>> Press VO-Shift-T to identify the cell. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Anne >>>>>> >>>>>> On 20 Jun 2013, at 21:45, Brian Fischler <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You can get all the memory upgrades you want, but it is still not going >>>>>>> to make numbers fully accessible. I have spoken to Apple countless >>>>>>> times about Numbers and Accessibility. If you have a large spread >>>>>>> sheet, there is no way to do a find or search to jump to a cell, as >>>>>>> they broke that function in mountain lion. Apple is aware of this >>>>>>> issue, and they told me numbers and pages have not been updated since >>>>>>> before Voiceover came out, so it doesn't fully work with Voiceover. >>>>>>> Kind of frustrating when you consider productivity. I used to use >>>>>>> numbers all the time, and several times a day all of the sudden I >>>>>>> couldn't enter any data into the spread sheet. I would have to quit >>>>>>> numbers and restart. I have switched over to a database program as >>>>>>> numbers got so frustrating to use. >>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Anne Robertson <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello Chris, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can select a column or row in Numbers by going to the first cell >>>>>>>> in that row or column and holding down the Shift key, use either the >>>>>>>> right arrow key for a row, or the down arrow key for a column. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for your Busy problem, are you by any chance running Windows as a >>>>>>>> virtual machine? If so, you'll need more memory. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 19 Jun 2013, at 17:09, Christopher Edwards >>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have just started using Numbers on my Macbook Pro running Mountain >>>>>>>>> Lion and, so far, have two questions. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1. How can I select a whole row or column? A trainer at the Apple >>>>>>>>> Store says you have to click on the row number or column letter. I >>>>>>>>> cannot find a keyboard shortcut to do this nor can I find a way of >>>>>>>>> navigating to these points with the touch pad or keyboard. I am sure >>>>>>>>> there must be a solution so please can someone tell me what it is? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2. Even though my spreadsheets have been very small so far I keep >>>>>>>>> getting "busy" messages and often have to force quit the program and >>>>>>>>> on one occasion even this solution did not work. I seem to remember >>>>>>>>> someone saying that increasing RAM makes a big difference. 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