Dear Anne, You wrote:
"I’m not having your problems with TextEdit under Mavericks. I always interact with the text and Find commands work correctly" Anne, thank you for responding. Maybe it has to do with my setup but I can't think what may be different. When I interact with the text, I can use vo + arrows to read the text and vo+shift + arrows to spell words but I can't use any of the editing commands like highlighting or deleting. I'm sorry to sound panicky but these rtf files are work-related and I got anxious as one would of course. The mac computer on which I have installed maverick is old but it used to run Mountain Lion successfully. I did an extensive search on the internet as regards which macs would run Maverick and the overwhelming impression I got from all the comments was that if one's computer could run mountain lion it should also run Maverick. That's why I have installed Maverick. I guess I just have to accept that I won't be able to edit rtf in TextEdit nor iText express now. Do you understand why Pages won't open or deal with rtf files? I thought Pages was a word processor that should be able to deal with a variety of existing formats. Also, Anne, when you interact with the text in TextEdit, I presume that you would interact by the usual way of vo+shift+down arrow. Can you then select text by using for instance shift+option + down arrow to select a line? Or are there different key strokes to select and manipulate text? Thank you for the time you took to respond to my woes. With best wishes Andrew On 30 Oct 2013, at 21:10, [email protected] wrote: > Today's Topic Summary > Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics > > The Calendar is weird on the Mac. [6 Updates] > Some useful Mac keyboard shortcuts [1 Update] > Disk Maker X [1 Update] > Converting outlook express mail to apple mail. [1 Update] > TextEdit and iText no longer work under Maverick like they used to [8 Updates] > Mac Calender (Openning Events) [3 Updates] > Help with OS 10.9, VO and Navigating Website with Frames [2 Updates] > Stopping VO Speech [2 Updates] > The Calendar is weird on the Mac. > Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> Oct 30 06:34PM > > Hello All. > > I had a notification in my calendar and after closing it in the Notifications > on my Mac, I needed to edit an appointment in my Calendar. > > At first I could not navigate the days. So I decided to go down with vo Down > arrow which got me into my list of events. > > Does anyone know how to navigate the calendar as I have day view running. > > I wish Voice Over would tell you list of short cut keys although Voice Over > may not have any. > > Once I got the hang of checking my list of events, the rest of it was guess > work. It wasn’t difficult but one will have to get use to it. > > Just before I go, one thing has always bugged me on the Mac but those of you > who have used Jaws in a windows environment will understand what I mean. > > Can one know the title of document of window or application? As in Windows > you could do insert T for the title of application or document. > > I am now not putting Windows back on my Mac as it is too much work. Unless > something bad happens as I’ve decided to get Sarah for my scanning needs in > due course. > I’ve been using the Mac since 2010 and now I’m feeling comfortable with it. > > Kawal. > > Daniela Rubio <[email protected]> Oct 30 07:37PM +0100 > > Hi! > To know the title of an app, hit VO+f1. To know the title of a window, hit > VO+f2. This, understanding that your function keys work as standard keys. > Best > > Distinguished Educator > iPhone: +34662328507 > > > > > Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> Oct 30 01:28PM -0600 > > Hi, > > I guess I must be used to the Calendar on the Mac as I’m not experiencing > your frustration. Note the following when in Day View: > > 1. If you navigate around the screen, you’ll have Previous Day, Today and > Next Day buttons as well as the current month grid and two areas for today’s > events. One is sort of a summary thing that you can drill down into and the > other is the more editable List of Events Table. > > 2. When you Interact with the List of events Table, then, contrary to my last > post about the Calendar app, you are able to edit/delete events easily. To > edit the event, simply navigate to it then press cmd-i (Get Info) or cmd-e > (Edit Event) which, by the way, appear to bring up the same window. To delete > the event, navigate to it then press the Delete key and follow the prompt. > When I posted in Neil’s question, I was in Month view so it was not as easy > as in Day view. > > 3. When you Interact with the Month Grid, you can quickly whip around through > the month and VO will announce if the specific day has any events in it. You > can drill down into that day while in the Month Grid and use VO navigation to > hear the events and can press cmd-i to edit it if you wish. If you decide to > delete it,, it’s easier, in my opinion, to navigate to the List of Events > Table and delete it from there. > > HTH. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > > Anne Robertson <[email protected]> Oct 30 09:05PM +0100 > > Hello Kawal, > > In Calendar, have you tried using the command VO-Cmd-x to go to Next List? > > Also, when you want to find a command, try doing VO-h-h to get the complete > list of VO commands. You’ll be amazed at what you find. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> Oct 30 02:13PM -0600 > > > Hi, > > I forgot to mention that cmd-right arrow goes to the next day, cmd-left arrow > for Previous day, and cmd-t for going directly to Today if you’re somewhere > else in the calendar of events. I believe that the cmd-right and cmd-left > will morph accordingly if you change to Week, Month or Year views. > > Later… > > > Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> Oct 30 08:43PM > > No I haven’t Anne. Will give it a go. > > Thanks. > > Kawal. > > Some useful Mac keyboard shortcuts > Shimzin Lists <[email protected]> Oct 31 08:53AM +1300 > > > Disk Maker X > Daniel C <[email protected]> Oct 30 02:34PM -0500 > > Hi, > I was trying out Disk Maker X, now that I’ve upgraded to Mavericks, and it > says that it has no windows. I don’t seem to be able to quit it without going > to force quit. > How am I able to make a boot disk since Disk Maker X won’t work? > > Converting outlook express mail to apple mail. > Tim Emmons <[email protected]> Oct 30 01:58PM -0500 > > Sent from my iPhoneHey guys, I have a curious question. And, you can answer > me here, or off list or you can message me on facebook or text my number, 334 > 296 3558, whichever is easiest because I need to know soon. I have a patron > who is trying to convert his outlook mail to apple mail with no success. Does > anybody have any idea how to perform this and if so, which direction can I > point him. Thanks and take care. If you me/sage me on facebook or text me > just let me know who you are. Thanks andtalk. toyou. soon,like. I said I > didn't know how to get answers quickly andI. don't have time just to monitor > the list. Thanksand. takecare. > > TextEdit and iText no longer work under Maverick like they used to > Andrew Lamanche <[email protected]> Oct 30 03:44PM > > Listers, > > I am having problems with rtf files in TextEdit and iText express. Whilst I > used to be able to read them and edit them by using just arrow keys in > Mountain Lion, in Maverick, I don't seem to be able to do this. I have to > interact with the text area to be able to read by line but then I can't > delete text or look for text with find facility. The same is true of iText > express. I thought Pages might do it so I have just purchased it and what a > disappointment! Pages won't even see rtf files in my folders. Disaster! I had > to convert rtf to txt format in order to get back to being able to edit and > arrow up and down the text. > > Has anyone else noticed it as well? > > Look forward to your experiences/tips. > > Andrew > > Anne Robertson <[email protected]> Oct 30 06:06PM +0100 > > Hello Andrew, > > I’m not having your problems with TextEdit under Mavericks. I always interact > with the text and Find commands work correctly. > > Have you repaired permissions lately? Also, resetting the PRAM can also fix > weird problems. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> Oct 30 12:30PM -0500 > > How does one reset the Pram again? I seem always to forget that. > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > > Anne Robertson <[email protected]> Oct 30 06:44PM +0100 > > Hello Ray, > > To reset the PRAM, shut down your computer, then hold down the following four > keys: Command, Option, letter p and letter r. With these held down, press the > Power key once and keep the other four keys held down until you’ve heard the > start up chime four times. Let go and the machine will boot as usual. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> Oct 30 01:16PM -0500 > > Hi guys > Bad news! We don't know it, but when we select text in TextEdit in Mavericks, > it might be selected and we don't know it. Just before Apple put me back to > Mountain Lion, I was on the Remote Advisor screen, and I showed the Apple > representative under TextEdit (rtf file, that is). I said I couldn't delete > anything. That wasn't the thing, he told me. It would delete just fine, but > VoiceOver wasn't saying things right. I had selected them, and when he told > me, I deleted the text I wanted to take out. > > The braille display that I helped to make worse and TextEdit problems are why > I was put back into Mountain Lion. I have to have TextEdit for my work. ;the > frustrating thing is, I really need the update for Numbers. I found it to be > better than the old one. > > Regards, > Gigi who used to break programs for Freedom Scientific and who is now happily > breaking them for Apple now > > > BBS <[email protected]> Oct 30 01:23PM -0500 > > On a similar note, when I use Text Edit, I’m noticing that I can’t open a big > folder anymore. All Voiceover says is browser when I tap the right arrow to > go in the folder. > > Shawn > Sent From My White Mac Book > > > Anne Robertson <[email protected]> Oct 30 07:28PM +0100 > > Hello Gigi, > > I’m using TextEdit under Mavericks and when I select text, VoiceOver says the > text followed by “highlighted”. I interact with the text so that the VO > commands will work. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > Eugenia Firth <[email protected]> Oct 30 01:32PM -0500 > > Thanks Anne. I am glad to hear it. Maybe it had something to do with the fact > that I had my Braille Edge 40 on there before I supidly took it off. > VoiceOver refused to recognize any braille displays after that, and I seemed > to be having some terrible navigation issues. So maybe this relates to > something on my computer and not something in general. I still have an open > case, so as soon as I can, I am going to call Apple back and see what's what. > > Regards, > Gigi > > > Mac Calender (Openning Events) > Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> Oct 30 11:12AM -0600 > > Hi, > > • To edit the event, try cmd-i to Get Info. > > • To delete an event is not as nice with VO. You’re supposed to be able to > click on the event then press the Delete key, but this is less than useful > with VO. I was able to delete an event by selecting it then going up to the > Edit menu and choosing Delete. Not as pleasant but workable. > > HTH. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > > Kawal Gucukoglu <[email protected]> Oct 30 05:20PM > > Tim, > > What you describe has always been the default behaviour. > > I have always found the calendar in Mountain Lion difficult on the Mac. > However, I don’t know if it’s improved under Mavericks. It’s better on IOS7 > but you can’t get rid of birthdays especially if they came from MSN messenger > as I have birthdays in my calendar from people when I was using Linctin. > > Kawal. > > Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> Oct 30 11:46AM -0600 > > Hi, > > What’s likely happening with the birthdays, is that you don’t have permission > to edit/delete them. When events come to your calendar from an outside source > such as FaceBook, Linctin etc, then you don’t have edit privileges for that > item, just read privileges. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > > Help with OS 10.9, VO and Navigating Website with Frames > Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> Oct 30 12:28PM -0500 > > The more things like this we report to Apple, the more they will have to fix > them. > > [email protected] > > > Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind > built-in! > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! > > > Tim Kilburn <[email protected]> Oct 30 11:42AM -0600 > > Hi Lou, > > I can confirm your findings. Here’s what I do to get around this for now. > > 1. After activating a link in the first frame, press tab until you reach an > item in the other frame. > 2. If it is a link you wish to affect, press return after tabbing to it. > > This is where things get inconsistent. Sometimes, I can Interact with > whatever I’ve tabbed to and then VO focus restores but not as often as I’d > like. It appears that when using VO navigation, including the Item Chooser, > most of the elements aren’t being noticed by VO. If you tab though, they are > workable, but not really in a VO way. What I mean here, is that using VO > commands makes it lose focus again whereas using OS commands like tab and > return will perform the task. I’ve also noticed that, only sometimes, a > Refresh of the page will help. > > So, overall, I probably have only confirmed your findings and only given you > half-baked work-arounds. Hope it helped a little. > > Later… > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > > Stopping VO Speech > Scott Rumery <[email protected]> Oct 30 12:05PM -0400 > > Hello, > > I am having a bit of trouble with stopping VO when it gets too verbose. I am > running Mavericks on a 2012 MacBookPro with Retina. > > Whenever I try and stop VO from talking by pressing the Control key nothing > happens. Does anyone have any suggestions as to what the problem may be. I > have already tried resetting VO to the defaults but this doesn’t change the > behavior . > > Thanks for any help, > > Scott Rumery > > don bishop <[email protected]> Oct 30 09:15AM -0700 > > Using an imac and mavericks, I've seen this but it'snot consistent. Sometimes > control will work, but it's sluggish. > Don > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Rumery <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Wednesday, October 30, 2013 9:05 am > Subject: Stopping VO Speech > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. 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