April,

About Safari remembering your password. If you don’t like that you can disable 
Apple Keychain. It is Apple’s new method to remember all your passwords.
Daniel Hawkins
- Posted from my Macbook Pro

2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
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Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

On Jan 11, 2014, at 1:33 PM, April Brown <[email protected]> wrote:

> Thanks Eileen,
> 
>        I'll keep working on understanding it.  Maybe spending about 30 
> minutes most days on it.  No more, or it will overwhelm me, until I 
> understand it.  It would be nice if in the afternoons, I could close my eye 
> and rest while listening to my daily updates.
> 
> On Saturday, January 11, 2014 11:03:19 AM UTC-5, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
> Hi David and and All,
> 
> I just wanted to point out that these help items are available. I never 
> suggested a particular method on how I proceeded. In fact, I have used and 
> are still using a wide range of medias and techniques that include the 
> onboard help tutorials, podcasts from several sites, these list serves, real 
> time chat rooms, Apple accessibility (if needed), and a year's subscription 
> at the Apple Store. I have also complemented all of this when I have some 
> spare time in reading "Take Control Using Mountain Lion." This Mac is not my 
> first computer ever. I come from the PC world where I started with sight on 
> an old 8086, with only 300 MG hard drive and using dos. So, you all can see 
> that the Mac experience for me is like starting all over. We all have very 
> different learning styles and there is no right or wrong. I will try anything 
> once because it could be the difference of mastering this quicker. What's so 
> wonderful about today is the variety of options that we all have to draw on. 
> JMO. 
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 11, 2014, at 6:11 AM, David Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would suggest a different approach. You should read the Getting Started 
>> Guide which is also in the help menu, and learn to use the commands help 
>> which is in the same place, or vi-h-h, in other words, hold down the vo keys 
>> and press h twice. This would explain much of this to you, and if you 
>> understand the logic, you’ll understand the terms. VO works well with Google 
>> Chrome, but not Firefox, you happened to pick an external browser which is 
>> not accessible, rather than start with what is built in, which is always the 
>> best way with Apple. You can do so much without getting any external apps 
>> and Apple ones often work best for most things for most people. Hope this 
>> helps.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>> 
>> On 11 Jan 2014, at 11:34 am, April Brown <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Eileen,
>>> 
>>> Thanks. I had run the tutorial three times. And nowhere did it mention that 
>>> I had to use a specific browser.  It's also not very intuitive. I'm going 
>>> to create my own step-by-step manual, Because there's no way I will 
>>> remember any of those key combinations. I simply don't have the memory. 
>>> It's going to be slow, and I'll work on it a little bit four or five days a 
>>> week.  I don't even know what half the terms mean.  And I can't find the 
>>> definition anywhere. Strange terms that aren't used in regular computer 
>>> work such as auto web spot, web rotor, web spot, sweet spot.  I have no 
>>> idea what these terms mean, or if I need to use them, or how, or why.  And 
>>> that is to design websites. I can only imagine how somebody who has barely 
>>> checked their e-mail and maybe Facebook would feel looking at this.  
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> 
>>> April
>>> 
>>> On Friday, January 10, 2014 4:49:41 PM UTC-5, Eileen Misrahi wrote:
>>> Hi April, 
>>> 
>>> I thought I would mention this to you. I have only had my MacBook Air for a 
>>> little over 4 months. when I first started, I accessed the Voiceover help 
>>> menu by pressing CONTROL-OPTION-H. This is the command to open Voiceover 
>>> help. If you arrow down to a submenu item called "Quick Start Tutorial," it 
>>> will present you with an interactive tutorial. The other item in the 
>>> Voiceover help menu that I have gone back to periodically is the "Getting 
>>> Started Manual" for Voiceover. 
>>> 
>>> there is also a Voiceover command help menu. This is accessed by pressing 
>>> CONTROL-OPTION-H-H (tapping the H twice quickly) This will open a submenu 
>>> of different categories such as general, keyboard, navigation, etc. When 
>>> you enter on one of these submenu items, it will open and delineate the 
>>> keystroke command and its description  of what the command does. At the 
>>> beginning of all of this, I used this the most to commit the keystrokes to 
>>> memory. Be kind to yourself. It will get better in time. I rarely turn my 
>>> PC on these days. It's only for the programs that I can't run on the Mac 
>>> that I reach for the PC. I know in time I will probably venture to place a 
>>> virtual machine on my air, but that's for another time in place. HTH. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers, 
>>> Eileen   
>>> 
>>> 
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