Sandi, Thanks for the endorsement. I tend to agree with you, in that whatever gets the job done is the tool I’ll use.
CJ On Jan 19, 2014, at 5:32 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <[email protected]> wrote: > hi, i do agree with Daniel. > This topic may be OT for the most on this list, but the movement is > definitely interesting. > Usually, at least in Denmark where i am living the prices for for > example jaws is so high cause the most expects that your government > pays for it , so they can pretty much set any price they like. So why > not simply set the highest price they dare? it will be good business > seen from their point of view. > Now there is just this little other problem, we have more and more > independent blind people who will not tolerate just standing on the > sideline, rubbernecking, having too depends on sighted assistance. And > frankly that is where windows in a combination with a mac comes into > play. > I can't speak for others but after i got my sight mostly back i had > only one wish,"what can i do too help others not as lucky as me?" > I thought NVDA was quite primitive, oh boy were i proven wrong, we > have tons and tons of add ons that we can install, blah, blah, blah. > I am not saying that windows is better than it used to be, but at > least whilst i am taking the medical education, it is needed for me > and well if that means that i will get done faster with the education > that is just exactly what i am going to do. > It is perfectly fine to me that we have persons on the list who will > never again touch windoww ever again, but let me ask you this. Would > you do it if your income depended on it ? :) > I found a way so i could add eloquence to nvdas voices. Again means > faster reading rate. > Personally i am not a huge fan of either jaws or window eyes, why? i > like open source software with a passion. > Anyway just my thoughts, have a wonderful weekend. > > > Sandi > > > On 1/18/14, CJ Daniel <[email protected]> wrote: >> Ray, >> >> While in specific it is an “OT” post, I think any development of this >> magnitude is of interest to just about any computer related blind list. The >> offering of Window-Eyes as a pseudo-free screen reader for MS Windows, in >> itself, is not earth-shattering. How it may continue to shape the adaptive >> software arena for the blind is, however, potentially huge. >> >> If Window-eyes remains a commercial grade package for the price of adding >> Office 2010 to a Window’s based machine, the question then becomes “what >> will Freedom Scientific do?” I suspect there is a chance of legal action in >> the offing or maybe not. Perhaps, for the first time, Freedom Scientific >> will have to deal realistically with blind consumers & stop setting their >> price-point @ ridiculous levels, which—let’s all face it—has always been a >> marketing strategy aimed @ Federal & state purchasing agencies. >> >> This is all of interest to Apple user’s & the members of this list, in my >> opinion, because the government mandated it, Apple responded, & people like >> those on this list picked up the torch & ran with it. That’s right! Every >> person, who has said “enough all ready. I’m tired of paying outrageous >> prices for something that sighted people obtain with their original purchase >> price. I’m tired of paying for expensive adaptive software upgrades, in >> addition to my operating system upgrades.” People who, in some cases, >> fought state agencies & insisted on something other than a Windows based >> machine & the highly ubiquitous JAWS. Then, those same people strapped >> themselves in to the roller coaster of change, sweated through the learning >> curves, & left all that hard-won Windows expertise behind to make it all >> happen. >> >> What I’m trying to express, I suppose, is that it is of great interest, >> because people like you & me made it happen. In effect, the American system >> of free enterprise, with a little watch-dogging from the federal >> government—their real job I believe—has started to work in this situation. >> I.E. the blind consumer has spoken with his/her purchasing dollars & >> MicroSoft & GW Micro have taken note. >> >> Am I saying that we’re a threat to Windows? Absolutely not. But, we are a >> market share &, in this economy, every little bit counts. After all, it was >> only a couple of years ago, that for the first time in history, a private >> company—Apple Incorporated—had more money than the federal government. If >> you don’t think Micro Soft sat up & took note of that, then you don’t know >> how these companies think. I shouldn’t be surprised @ all if Micro Soft >> isn’t determined to win every little segment of the market possible. But, I >> digress. >> >> In short, we & NVDA users should be a little proud, I think. We’ve had an >> impact & opened up some doors for a lot of blind folks. We’ve gotten some >> corporate attention & it looks like some real changes may be in the offing. >> So, to all the users on the list, I say “thanks & well done.” >> >> Sincerely, >> >> CJ >> >> >> On Jan 18, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Uh, maybe: however, doesn’t one have to buy a full copy of Microsoft Word >>> to get this? Seems like one gets a stripped down version with just one >>> voice and I really have to say that while GW Micro deserves a favorable >>> mention for this, it’s got presious little to do with those of us who >>> don’t and will never ever ever install windows on our Macs. >>> >>> >>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind >>> built-in! >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user! >>> >>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Teresa Cochran <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Well, actually, some folks use Bootcamp or Fusion, and could probably >>>> benefit from not having to buy a full copy of WindowEyes when they do >>>> so. >>>> >>>> HtH, >>>> teresa >>>> >>>> Slow down; you'll get there faster. >>>> >>>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Ray Foret Jr <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For my part, I’m wondering what this has to do with us Mac users? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the >>>>> blind built-in! >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 >>>>> user! >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 18, 2014, at 5:51 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hi Chris. Am not sure why they use W E for that, I can't decide if i >>>>>> believe it a good or bad thing either. The only thing i kinda wish i >>>>>> could get from nvda was a more jaws like voice, that is all really, it >>>>>> is simple and too the point. >>>>>> It could be that W E got something NVDA don't? As others have said it >>>>>> shall indeed be interesting finding out how it plays out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sandi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 1/17/14, Chris Blouch <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> I wonder why they went with WindowEyes. Maybe less outcry when the #3 >>>>>>> gets picked for inclusion. As it normally goes for $900 a pop I could >>>>>>> see MS giving them $9 each which would be made up for in quantity. >>>>>>> Last >>>>>>> WebAIM survey had Primary Screen Reader use with Jaws at 49%, >>>>>>> WindowEyes >>>>>>> at 12% and Voiceover at 9%. NVDA was actually second with nearly 14%. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey4/#primary >>>>>>> >>>>>>> CB >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/17/14 8:59 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse wrote: >>>>>>>> i am kinda wondering what they will gain by doing it like that? >>>>>>>> Not that i will ever have too find out, the absolutely only thing i >>>>>>>> use windows for is scanning , when done i can copy paste it over in >>>>>>>> textedit directly. >>>>>>>> I have thought long and hard over if i really needed something newer >>>>>>>> than xp for OC'ring and stuff like that, and i simply can't justify >>>>>>>> it, not right now at least. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sandi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/17/14, Eileens Misrahi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I just want to point out that I have had a paid copy of Window-Eyes >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> few years. Last year though, if I wanted the Vocalizer voices I >>>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> pay for them. Also, I listened to a recent podcast from GW micro on >>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> get started with the WE version for Office and it was mentioned in >>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>> that other synthesizers could be purchased. I am taking a wait and >>>>>>>>> see >>>>>>>>> approach on how all this will play out. I provide training to my >>>>>>>>> clients >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> all areas of vision rehab, so this could be advantagious for those >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> service >>>>>>>>> who require a screen reader. JMO. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Eileen >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Terje Strømberg >>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Speech Syntherzises is very important for my self i.e. the choice >>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>> installing from developers. This is a very bad mistake by GW >>>>>>>>>> Micro. >>>>>>>>>> Free >>>>>>>>>> speech!! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Take care >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 17. jan. 2014 kl. 22:22 skrev Buddy Brannan <[email protected]>: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Licensing costs, most likely. You will also get no free technical >>>>>>>>>> support >>>>>>>>>> beyond installation. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA >>>>>>>>>> Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Karen Lewellen >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> indeed? if this is a fully functional edition with all other >>>>>>>>>>> programs, >>>>>>>>>>> does not that mean the speech choices you would get with window >>>>>>>>>>> eyes >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> general? Why are they only offering one synthesizer I wonder? >>>>>>>>>>> Kare >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 17 Jan 2014, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't followed this thread very closely, so I'm sorry if this >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> come up. You seem to be forgetting about NVDA, a free screen >>>>>>>>>>>> reader >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> has very good Office support and can also be scripted. A common >>>>>>>>>>>> complaint about NVDA is that people don't like Espeak, the >>>>>>>>>>>> synthesizer >>>>>>>>>>>> it comes with, but a blog post I read said that Window-Eyes will >>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>> come with Espeak in this deal. So, the idea that this >>>>>>>>>>>> Window-Eyes >>>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>>> opens more doors seems odd, since NVDA is already available, no >>>>>>>>>>>> matter >>>>>>>>>>>> which version of office you have, or if you don't have Office at >>>>>>>>>>>> all. >>>>>>>>>>>> Some comments I've heard even suggest that Window-Eyes does not >>>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>>> very good Office support compared to other screen readers. >>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Maria and Joe Chapman >>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just had another thought. This might be a good thing for those >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> us >>>>>>>>>>>>> looking for volunteer work. If we can use window eyes as long >>>>>>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>> have office 2010 or later on their system. How well does >>>>>>>>>>>>> window >>>>>>>>>>>>> eyes >>>>>>>>>>>>> and office work together I wonder? >>>>>>>>>>>>> Warm regards and blessings >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maria, Joe and FurBabies >>>>>>>>>>>>> Email: iMessage:[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Jan 2014, at 6:21 am, Bill Holton <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jan-14-2014 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (www.gwmicro.com) is proud >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Corp. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have partnered >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cost. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Window-Eyes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually >>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired, or print >>>>>>>>>>>>>> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> computer >>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible via >>>>>>>>>>>>>> speech and/or Braille. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GW >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and Microsoft >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 15 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> languages, to enable >>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Window-Eyes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for free. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually >>>>>>>>>>>>>> impaired in >>>>>>>>>>>>>> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As >>>>>>>>>>>>>> such, this initiative >>>>>>>>>>>>>> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce >>>>>>>>>>>>>> barriers >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for millions >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> become >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and more important >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> other retinal degenerative >>>>>>>>>>>>>> diseases increases. " >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This significant change in the way we are doing business >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reflects >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> changing perception >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of accessibility and also technology in general. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro >>>>>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> leading the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GW >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Micro. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gain >>>>>>>>>>>>>> access to their >>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new >>>>>>>>>>>>>> world >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of assistive >>>>>>>>>>>>>> technology to many people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> specifically, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the changing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> visually impaired >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the long term. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> demonstrating >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft’s ongoing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tools to help >>>>>>>>>>>>>> each person be productive in both their work and personal >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lives.” >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said Rob Sinclair, Chief Accessibility Officer for Microsoft. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Eligible customers, using Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, will >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> able to download >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a full version of Window-Eyes starting today at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.WindowEyesForOffice.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The website provides download instructions as well as >>>>>>>>>>>>>> additional >>>>>>>>>>>>>> details about this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> GW Micro, Inc. 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