That’s an ouch! Whell somebody just wasted $1,000 for a Surface Pro. Wait! NVDA 
to the rescue! lol.

Maybe partnered with MS it will be slipstreamed in Windows 9? Hopfully!
Daniel Hawkins
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2012 15in. Macbook Pro
2.3 Quad-core i7
4GB DDR3
500GB HDD

Dual Boot:
Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit

On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:40 PM, David Tanner <david.tanner...@gmail.com> wrote:

> One thing that may be a bit of an issue is that looking at Jaws, NVDA, 
> Window-Eyes and even adding System Access to the list, Window-Eyes is the 
> only one out of the four that apparently has no ability to be used on a 
> Windows 8 tablet.  That may be an issue that Microsoft hasn’t taken into 
> consideration.
>  
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Hawkins
> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 1:02 PM
> To: Mac Visionary
> Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader 
> built in
>  
> Lol, Windows 3.1 is a little before my time. But in a way Microsoft is trying 
> to catch up, their Windows 8 Pro can do both do the ARM based Windows 8 apps 
> and are cross platforms. Apple are slowly intregrating IOS and Mac. And 
> Google have the Chromebook.
>  
> As ARM based cpu get more powerful that can bridge the gap between Intel 
> based OS it will be streamlined soon. Even Linux is now getting into ARM bsed 
> OS.
>  
> So in that case, I still think the three major screenreaders will be 
> around.Unless JAWS can’t keep their contracts, they will be forced to lower 
> their prices, so we will see.
> Daniel Hawkins
> - Posted from my Macbook Pro
>  
> 2012 15in. Macbook Pro
> 2.3 Quad-core i7
> 4GB DDR3
> 500GB HDD
>  
> Dual Boot:
> Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit
>  
> On Jan 20, 2014, at 5:45 PM, erik burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hey guys,  Another thing has occurred to me about this.  As you know, 
> window-eyes has been under developed for several years.  You might not be 
> aware that the personal computer is set to go on the long tail in 2016.  
> Sales of personal computers have been falling by about 30 per sent per year.  
> April 2013 was the worst quarter for PC sales in 20 years.  In 2012 
> smartphones made up more than 50 per sent of all cell phone use in the United 
> States.  In 2013, Tablet sales exploded and the tablet is poised to out sell 
> the personal computer in 2014.  
>  
> It will take a long time for corporate and government to catch up, but they 
> are both already in the mobile space.  Where do jaws, Window-eyes, and even 
> NVDA fit in to the 5 year trend of the over all market?  Especially with 
> IPhone and android being very high quality accessibility choices and new 
> accessibility features emerging on Blackberry to compete with the other two 
> leading mobile platforms.
>  
> Remember when windows 3.1 came along and people started competing for access 
> to windows?  How many market leading companies raced to add accessibility 
> features.  Let's see…  henter-joice, gw michro, synthavoice computers, artic, 
> dolphin, AISquared…  How many of those companies, most of whom are still with 
> us, have competed for anything in the mobile space?  AISquared, codefactory, 
> that's all I can think of.  Humanware and AFB have stepped into the mobile 
> space but their efforts have met with mixed success.
>  
> Very few of Our so called leaders in accessibility are hungry for shares of 
> the new economy the way they were when windows 95 came out and blind people 
> could somewhat use it.
>  
> Could it be that there is no money or not as much money as we think in the 
> window-eyes for office move and that it's part of an exit strategy to keep as 
> much value in the product as possible for as long as possible?  I'm sure Dan 
> and Doug have rock solid RRSPs/retirement packages  So do Eric and the other 
> FS bigwigs.  These people aren't showing the drive to innovate that they once 
> did.  They are in fact, stodgy.  What has GW done for us lately?  Proprietary 
> desktop applications  for skype and facebook, both of which are much more 
> accessible in the mobile space to begin with and both of which are better 
> suited to the mobile space than the desktop space IMHO.  It's GW's attempt to 
> coast through for another couple of years until the pc space evaporates and 
> the heads can retire.
>  
> All speculation on my part.  I loved  window-eyes when it was on the cutting 
> edge.  I just don't see it now though.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Erik Burggraaf
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> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>  
> On 2014-01-20, at 5:45 PM, "Christina C." <blindmaclo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I do not understand all of the ins and outs of this but overall it appears to 
> be a positive thing for blind and visually impaired as well as for others 
> with  various disabilities and challenges requiring adaptive software and 
> equipment. I did crack up at the line about being leaders. LOL! They are 
> behind the ball if you ask me. I love apple and my mac and that is where my 
> loyalties are at this point. I do think this opens doors and that can always 
> be a good thing. Maybe this will benefit me in some way in the future 
> especially since I’d like the ability to use a robust OCR  scanning software 
> with a camera instead of a traditional scanner. Maybe one day I will consider 
> putting windows on my computer with  boot camp or a virtual environment. So, 
> for me this topic is important to discuss even though I am a mac user.
> 
> Christina
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