Re: [maemo-developers] RE: Nokia 770 sources...

[Acadia Secure Networks]

Title: Best Regards,

Devesh, the following commentary from Andrew is somewhat disconcerting since it suggests that Nokia is somehow holding back on openness: "I have to say > Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness" Assuming that his disappointment is warranted, what has held Nokia back in terms of "complete openness" in the context suggested by the above comment? Is there some commercial concern that, by being more "open", that Nokia will be somehow more vulnerable to competitors developing similar hardware that runs the same software platform as the N770? It is not even clear to me that it is legally possible under the terms of licensing for Linux based software to take the parts of Linux that one likes but to hold other parts back in order to retain a competitive advantage in the marketplace. Best Regards,   John Holmblad   Acadia Secure Networks GSEC Gold, GCWN Gold, GGSC-0100, NSA-IAM, NSA-IEM   (H) 703 620 0672 (M) 703 407 2278 (F)  703 620 5388 (O) 410 849 2376 (has voicemail to email)   primary email address:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] backup email address:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   www page for texting:   www.vtext.com/users/jholmblad text email address:        [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ext Andrew Barr wrote: On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:47 -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote: ... While I certainly don't agree with the angry tone used, I have to say Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness. It seems to me that Nokia has opened just enough to get apps ported and/or written for the device, which in turn sells more devices, or at least that appears to be the plan. Nothing has come of recurring requests for information about the Bluetooth hardware (e.g. for headset support), Ogg Vorbis support, or Gstreamer/DSP multimedia internals in general. Some things that are missing from the Subversion repo don't even make sense, e.g. there is no hardware secrets or patents associated with them (at least as far as I know) The media player apps come to mind here. What I agree is that we need to strengthen the architecture documents BTW getting strarted with multimedia development doc was updated http://maemo.org/platform/docs/multimedia/getting_started.html (section Plugin development) which describes how to enable ogg-vorbis Maemo really isn't open in the sense that we're used to: like a traditional Linux distribution. It seems to be more of an SDK plus things that were required to be open, e.g. due to licensing terms. I think one of the reason for that could also be attributed that most general linux distributions are targetted to PC/laptop which have relatively well defines standardized hardware architecture. What we have tried to do with maemo is - provide a common development environment and tools for Nokia 770 and future devices (SB, rootstraps etc) - provide (as a priority) to enable application development - enable experimentation like ability to compile your own kernel, create your own rootfs and all the benifits that could be leveraged from a debian based component package management system Now what we are concentrating on, beside improving the above is to enable participation and contribution in stages to different parts of maemo, starting with HAF/Sardine which I hope would extend. The starting up and adoption barrier for sardine are being recognized, and we are now trying to make it easy to adopt and use sardine, without sacrificing the genral device usability. This would enable the patches or feature implementations by community to be made and tested on the latest svn codebase, so the component owners can integrate/accept/reject them. There has been excellent work done for enabling dual boot by Frantisek Dufka http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BootMenu which I hope would enable the experimentation atleast in the large area of HAF/sardine (comprising the majority of the middleware stack like gtk+, theming, desktop, tasknavigator, control panel, application installer etc) to happen on MMC based sardine rootfs Devesh This is unfortunate, because it creates a burden on the Nokia employees working on this project. They are the only ones who can add many requested features or fix bugs, so in many cases people complain to the mail list because they cannot take care of things themselves. You don't see patch mails on the maemo-* lists. That's to say nothing of ideas people have had but been unable to implement--trivial stuff that would improve the Maemo environment but may not have been discussed on the ML. To me, the open-source economy (or whatever) that makes some projects so great doesn't work here because the "community" is relegated in large part to the role of application developer. The best you can do to improve some parts of Maemo is suggest it and hope someone at Nokia takes it up. These are just my impressions from informal observation and occasional participation in this endeavor. If you think I'm way off base or crazy or something, please feel free to tell me or ignore me. -- Andrew Barr | http://www.oakcourt.dyndns.org/~andrew/ <http://www.oakcourt.dyndns.org/%7Eandrew/> "Buzzword detected (core dumped)" -- seen on linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org _______________________________________________ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers _______________________________________________ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers

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