2009/9/24 <tero.k...@nokia.com>: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org >> [mailto:maemo-developers-boun...@maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext >> Aniello Del Sorbo >> Sent: 24 September, 2009 12:20 >> To: Gil Quim (Nokia-D/Helsinki) >> Cc: maemo-developers@maemo.org >> Subject: Re: How to use extras-testing correctly? >> >> I personally think we're taking a wrong approach to the problem. >> >> I am not developing for Apple because of their approval >> process and their desire of control. > > That is a different matter alltogether. One device, one shop, complete > control. That has very little to do with a community site like maemo.org and > a deevice using debian repositories. >
I am well aware of that :) But if I go thru extras-testing (and I really want to!) then it looks like the Community has the last word on my application. >> I don't want my application to go through an approval process >> to reach my users. > > No one is forcing you to place your app in extras. However it is the place > most likely to be found by new users. > Maemo Extras should be of high quality because we will have completely new > users to the platform. We don't want to scare them away, simple as that. > And that's what I want. But I am the one that decides if my application has to go from Extras Testing to Extras. If I decide badly, the Users will uninstall my app and file bug via AM and eventually it'll be pulled out from Extras. Only high quality apps remain. >> I think that the developer HAS the last work on whether or >> not her application is ready to be promoted to Extras. > > The developer has the last word; just don't promote from testing. > But I do want to go through testing. That's why I am proposing this. >> But I like the idea of my application being tested and I'd >> love to get feedback from the final users. >> Android has a nice approach, I think the application goes >> straight to Market and when a user removes it, she's being asked why. > > I don't think so, please provide a reference. > I don't have any. I do know that if you uninstall an app, it asks you why. I have an Android phone. I know that. >> I learned that the extremes are almost never the best choice. >> Thus, I would like to see is a mix of Apple idea of "testers" >> and Google Android "uninstallation survey". >> >> Here's my proposal: >> >> We leave Extras-Testing as it is, with votes, comments, bug >> reports an so on (or improve it, as you wish). >> But then it's only the developer that decides, based on that >> feedback, if or not to promote the application to Extras. > > Which is how it works, except you need ten thumbs up. > Exactly what I am trying to remove. I choose. But based on those 9 thumbs up. I need to be wise of course, but I choose. >> When the application gets promoted to Extras, people will >> start using it. > > Yes, extras-testing for testing, -devel for development, extras for prime > time. > /me nods >> If there's a major bug, the user will uninstall the application. > > Certainly. > /me nods >> The Application Manager should ask the user, as Android >> Market does, WHY she uninstalling the application. >> Of course she may choose not to give any feedback. >> One of the choice she has is "Uninstalling because of a bug" >> and she can fill in the bug if she wish so. >> >> This bug goes straight to bugzilla for that application and >> we should count them and decide on two limits: a soft >> threshold and a hard one. >> >> Soft threshold: >> if the application goes below this soft limit a yellow flag >> is raised (how to handle it, it's another topic). >> >> Hard threshold: >> if the application goes below this hard limit a red flag is >> raised and application pulled from Extras. > > Look, if you want to remove stuff, it's better to do it early than late. The > assumption is that someone will submit bad code, then the better option is to > take it out before it hits peoples devices. Not after it's gotten to the > public. > My point is exactly this. I think it's the opposite. The decide what my application does, the users decide if it is good. No one in between. Extras Testing IS very good for.. testing. >> This way the Developer has full control of when and how she >> wants her application to reach the public. >> The Community has some control of which applications should >> be removed. > > Which is there already. When you get the ten votes on testing, you get > notified and can choose to ignore it or promote when you feel like it. > If I don't get those, may be because few people care, I am stuck in Testing. And this reminds me of Apple approval process. I like the whole Extras Testing idea, but I have to choose if I want to go to Extras nonetheless. Of course I wan't promote my app if there are showstoppers, but it's up to me. If I have to go straight to Extras, I will do that, but I'll miss the opportunity that Extras Testing gives me. And that's a shame. Aniello _______________________________________________ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
