On 13 July 2011 14:27, nicolas vigier <bo...@mars-attacks.org> wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Ernest N. Wilcox Jr. wrote: > >> > Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:16:24 +0200 >> > From: Wolfgang Bornath <molc...@googlemail.com> >> > To: Mageia development mailing-list <mageia-dev@mageia.org> >> > Subject: Re: [Mageia-dev] Repository question: where do we put >> > non-free+tainted RPMs? >> Message-ID: >> >> <CA+h4nj6KtYu8vUFcZ4mWUO08J5ZyxB5XnN2bsSLoqm8R7w6E=w...@mail.gmail.com> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 >> > >> > 2011/7/12 andre999 <and...@laposte.net>: >> > > Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit : >> > >> >> > >> 2011/7/9 andre999<and...@laposte.net>: >> > >>> >> > >>> Wolfgang Bornath a ?crit : >> > >>>> >> > >>>> 2011/7/8 Thorsten van Lil<tv...@gmx.de>: >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> Am 08.07.2011 10:42, schrieb Wolfgang Bornath: >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> 2011/7/8 James Kerr<j...@jkerr82508.free-online.co.uk>: >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> This thread has strayed far from the original question, > which >> could >> > >>>>>>> be >> > >>>>>>> re-stated as: >> > >>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>> Should tainted free software and tainted nonfree software be >> > >>>>>>> commingled >> > >>>>>>> in a >> > >>>>>>> single tainted repository? >> >> ... >> >> > >> Besides, tainted is not only about patents, it's also about software >> > >> which is illegal in certain countries (like libdvdcss). >> > > >> > > Ok, a relatively limited application. >> > > >> > > So in all, maybe a handful of packages at most should be in tainted. >> > > So why do we have more than 150 ? >> >> > Sorry, but I do not understand your way of thinking. If a law exists >> > it exists. It does not matter to a law whether it is likely to be >> > enforced. Period. >> > This is not paranoia, it is a matter of mind set. If robbery would not >> > be prosecuted, would you go out and earn your doe by taking away >> > handbags from old ladies? You would not, because it is wrong. For >> > those who are living in countries where patents are valid and accepted >> > by the law, using a patented software is wrong. So you must accept >> > that there are people who would not do it. Telling them how they >> > should think about it is not ours. That's why we have the tainted >> > repo. >> > >> > -- >> > wobo >> >> +1 >> >> I live in the USA, and while I do not personally support the concept of >> software pantents, I also do not want to violate them as long as they are >> leagally recognized where I live. >> >> For me, this is not a matter of risk, but one of ethics, morality, and >> respect. IMHO, the fact that my Countries Society recognizes patents as being >> legally binding makes it my responsibility to honor them, so I want to know >> if >> a software package may be affected by one or more patent(s) before I install >> it >> on my computer. If I know that (for example) package foo is affected by a >> patent, I can search for the patent holder, and make contact to request >> permission to ust the software, then abide with their response. This way, I >> fulfill my obligation to ask permission before using software that is (or may >> be) affected by some one elses property. I would no more use patented >> software >> without permission here in the USA than I would take my neighbor's lawnmower >> to cut my grass without his permission. >> >> I understand that the following may not be practicable, but I would like all >> software that is affected by a patent (and perhaps other licensing or >> copyright >> restrictions) to be placed in a "restricted" (tainted) repository. Also I >> would like to see patent (or contact) information in the software package's >> description to help facilitate my ability to ask permission to use the >> software. By doing these things, Mageia is doing more to support my ability >> to >> live by my personal convictions than to support patent law. > > I think we should not do that. Because we probably have more useful > things to do than documenting patents and helping patent holders. And > because it doesn't help users, on the contrary, it makes it more > dangerous for them to use the software, because they cannot say they > didn't know about the patent. > >
(However, each package has a URL field, with a link to the upstream web site, that could be a good starting point for a search for those who wanna do it). -- Ahmad Samir