2010/9/22 Michael Scherer <[email protected]>: > Le mercredi 22 septembre 2010 à 04:32 +0200, Tux99 a écrit : > >> While I'm in no position to influence this, I believe that Mageia >> and it's community would greatly benefit if the Mageia devs would use a >> reserved section of the Mageia forum (a subforum where only devs can >> post) for cooker discussions rather than a mailing-list, since it would >> bring devs and users closer to each other and facilitate interaction. > > Well, no for several reasons: > > 1) a restricted forum is not really the spirit of openess I would see. > And a restricted forum would not be really a way to bring dev and > non-dev closer if this is restricted to dev. ( not to mention that the > simple existence of the idea "dev and users" is harmful, IMHO ). > > 2) forums are IMHO not adapted to the work: > > - depending on the forum, some will mark messages as read while you > didn't , fluxbb for example, and this is stressing ( at least, it does > stress me, since each time, I wonder if I forgot to read something > important or not ) > > - you have to read the whole page to follow a thread, while evolution > allow me to mark just a subthread as read when I know it doesn't > interest me ( like thread about kde or nvidia driver on cooker ) > > - you cannot have subthread, which basically make everything a mess > > - you cannot do any kind of filtering ( like some people do with gnus, > to highlight post with keyword ) > > - you cannot cross post between forum ( which can be required when > specialized ml will appear ) > > - you basically cannot automate much task ( like applying a patch for > git with git am ) > > - you cannot read them offline ( in, when you commute, like what I do ) > > - most of the time, you cannot read them on your phone ( see the commute > part ) > > So basically, for my workflow, and I think I am not having a so uncommon > one among the FOSS crowd, a forum is less adapted than a ML. > > > Regarding devs on forums, I have already expressed myself on cooker ml, > seek my name around august this year. Of course, I may appear like a ass > in theses mails,( maybe because I am one ), but I think that basically > changing the name of the project will not impact much my opinion, and > that still reflect my thoughts. > > Of course, some packagers will read forums, and some used it ( like > Nicolas Lecureil, Samuel Verschelde and likely others ) for various > task, but personally, I would prefer rely on people to help me by doing > the triaging, and let me focus on issues where I can be more useful for > everybody. I think this would scale more than asking every developer to > get on the forum. > > So while I do not want to actively ignore users, it must be clear that > not everybody will/can pass a significant time on forum. And well, while > reading is sufficient in theory, if you just read, people do not know > and feel neglected. But answering requires more time. For example, I > have devoted my full afternoon on reading -discuss and I have still many > mails to read and maybe to answer, so I really do not think I could cope > with a user forums. > > When you take a forum, you need to take one that can show "hot topic", > or something like that, ie think of infrequent readers that may want to > only have the more important discussion ( ie, a > packager/designer/coder/whatever that just pass from time to time ). > > -- > Michael Scherer > > _______________________________________________ > Mageia-discuss mailing list > [email protected] > https://www.mageia.org/mailman/listinfo/mageia-discuss >
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