'Scuse me asking in mailman-developers, but I think it's where I'm most likely to get an answer.
I'm running a list on mailman 2.0.6 with what I think is a generic setup - it's on the machine of a small ISP and not under my control. [CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - who will be as interested as I to find out what's going on.] A subset of [EMAIL PROTECTED] are generating error messages as below. I have looked in the archive and found the HellMail thread in mailman-users. But this list isn't set up like the one discussed there. It has: "Hide the sender of a message, replacing it..." = FALSE "Where are replies to list messages directed?" = This list A default-setting Hotmail account <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> that I set up for testing received the welcome message and four subsequent messages OK, then bounced as recorded below. Hotmail claims a loop, but I see no evidence of one... though it does seem to be bouncing around a lot inside the ISP's machines. One odd thing is that there are 27 hotmail users subscribed, and only the 15 listed below are bouncing. Other lists that I run on the same host have the same settings as above and seemed to be getting through to hotmail last week, though they're much lower-traffic. Can someone who understand SMTP properly scan the following and provide me with a clue? Is the only answer to direct replies to the individual sender, and attempt to indoctrinate users with the resulting changes? (These are sub-editors - line-editors in Westpondian - so they're not all very good at precise readings when not paid so to be!) Mike Holderness -x------------------------------------------------------------------------ X-From_: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Jul 28 20:55:02 2003 Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:54:50 -0700 Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gn.apc.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gn.apc.org Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/uksubs-l>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Sub-editors discuss terms, conditions and work <uksubs-l.gn.apc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/uksubs-l>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/private/uksubs-l/> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gn.apc.org This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Unable to deliver message to the following recipients, because the message was forwarded more than the maximum allowed times. This could indicate a mail loop. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reporting-MTA: dns;mc7-s1.law1.hotmail.com Received-From-MTA: dns;mc7-f40.law1.hotmail.com Arrival-Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 12:54:50 -0700 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Original-Recipient: Final-Recipient: rfc822;[EMAIL PROTECTED] Action: failed Status: 4.4.6 Received: from mc7-f40.law1.hotmail.com ([65.54.253.47]) by mc7-s1.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); 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Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.gn.apc.org ([192.168.0.1]) by localhost (blue [192.168.0.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11586-16 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:31:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from imo-m08.mx.aol.com (imo-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.136.163]) by mail.gn.apc.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F9A14B68D for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 19:35:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v36_r1.1.) id r.129.2eba33ce (4402) for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:35:03 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [UkSubs] Late payments To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: 7.0 for Windows sub 10500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gn.apc.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gn.apc.org Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/uksubs-l>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Sub-editors discuss terms, conditions and work <uksubs-l.gn.apc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/uksubs-l>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/private/uksubs-l/> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:35:02 EDT X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gn.apc.org Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2003 19:54:12.0868 (UTC) FILETIME=[04873C40:01C35542] Message content was here -x------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Mailman-Developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-developers
