Richard and all, Thanks. I appreciate your help and advice. With your suggestions, I upgraded and now have a working list.
For the benefit of others who may find this thread via the archives, I will just add a couple of comments. I had to stray from the INSTALL file just a little bit because I had originally used the ports to install Mailman. Therefore, I already had a mailman user and mailman group. Because FreeBSD ports creates the group and user automagically, I couldn't do some things as user mailman that the INSTALL asks be done. For example, the ./configure. I tried #su mailman -c <options>. But, mailman doesn't have a shell on my box. So, I did it as root and then chown -R the mailman directory. Also, when adding to the mm_cfg.py file: DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'yourdomain' DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.yourdomain.org/mailman/' You must also add this: MAILMAN_OWNER = 'mailman-owner@%s' % DEFAULT_HOST_NAME Just looking at it, you might not think so at first. But, if you don't, MAILMAN_OWNER will take the DEFAULT_HOST_NAME part from the lines above it in Default.py instead of your edits in mm_cfg.py. Also, whenever you are editing your list preferences via a browser, it seems to matter that you save your changes between pages. I found out the hard way. I made a bunch of changes across several pages. The only page's changes that got saved was the last page. Oh. And, don't use list names with spaces :). Good luck. Darren > The absence of lists and the difference in presentation depending on the IP > address specified in the URL used to access the MM web GUI suggests the > problem you are having results form MM's virtual hosting feature. If you > changef the value of VIRTUAL_HOST_OVERVIEW = 0 in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py > then the problem would probably go away; but read on before you do that. > > Looking at your site through http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/admin, it > gives an e-mail address for the mailman owner mailman-owner@localhost as > which suggests that DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'localhost' in your > $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py. You really want to set DEFAULT_HOST_NAME to > the IP name of your host through which you expect the MM web GUI to be > accessed in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py: localhost won't provide > communication for a user on another machine. You also want to set > MAILMAN_OWNER to include the IP name of your machine in > $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py. > > As an aside, do your own test and accessing through a fully qualified > domain name for your mailman machine not 'localhost'. That way you'll see > your installation as your users will; they can never access it through > 'localhost' I hope. > > >Note below that the list name "Hinds calculus ii" does not match the error > >message echoed to screen output generated by "lynx localhost/mailman/admin". > >The error message says "No such list hinds" (not "No such list Hinds > >calculus ii). This might be related to the problem of not being able to > >delete the list. Maybe lists > >with spaces in the name is causing some of the problems. > > I suspect that if you said the following on the command line it might work: > > lynx "localhost/mailman/admin/hinds calculus ii" > > The following URL certainly does work from my machine using Netscape: > > http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo/hinds%20calculus%20ii > > However, spaces in list names are not a good idea. Bear in mind that the > the list name is going to be the local part of what must be a valid > Internet addr-spec as described in RFC2822 section 3.4.1 as well as being a > directory name and part of file names in your file system, and part of URIs > for accessing through the web GUI. That means that when it is used the > local part has to be quoted (enclosed in double quotes) to be valid if it > contains spaces or special characters like '.'. In all honesty I'm not even > sure if MM is programmed to cope with all the possible implications of this. > > Why make life difficult. Just keep list names short and do not allow > embedded whitespace, puncutation etc - all those things that need to be > escaped in URLs, on command lines and in mail address specifications. Stick > to a-zA-Z0-9-_ characters in your list names and you won't go far wrong. > > > >As far as what I've tried to do to remove the list, the output below pretty > >much speaks for itself. But, to summarize, I have tried using qoutes and > >escaping > >the spaces in the list name. Again, can I just delete the references to the > >lists I want to delete from /lists and /archives? > > I'm not sure as to why you are having the deletion problem. Given that > you've not really got started with Mailman I'd: > > 1. treat what's happened so far as good experience of what can go wrong > > 2. blow away your 2.0.5 install > > 3. download 2.0.8 from > http://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/mailman/mailman-2.0.8.tgz > > 4. redo you installation from mailman-2.0.8.tgz > > 5. check your $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py following installation and see if > the variables discussed look sensible > > 6. avoid creating lists with names that will cause problems. > > Take heart, it took me three or four goes when I first installed MM to get > an installation that worked right > > > cheers > > Richard > > >Thanks for helping, > >Darren > > > >If you will go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/listinfo, you can see for > >yourself the output generated there (neither test list shows up). > >Likewise, you can go to http://www.kneedeep.org/mailman/admin and see that > >both lists show up there and if you follow the link to Hinds calulus > >ii, it will give you a log in prompt (that is different from what you get > >when you view it from localhost). > > > > >From localhost, here is exactly what I get when I type, as root, "lynx > >localhost/mailman/listinfo": > > > ># from screen> localhost Mailing Lists > > > ># from screen> > ># from screen> Welcome! > ># from screen> > ># from screen> Below is a listing of all the public mailing lists on > ># from screen> localhost. Click on a list name to get more > ># from screen> information about the list, or to subscribe, unsubscribe, > ># from screen> and change the preferences on your subscription. > ># from screen> To visit the info page for an unadvertised list, open a URL > ># from screen> similar to this one, but with a '/' and the > ># from screen> list name appended. > ># from screen> > ># from screen> List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview > ># from screen> page to find the management interface for your > ># from screen> list. > ># from screen> > ># from screen> (Send questions or comments to mailman-owner@localhost.) > ># from screen> > ># from screen> > ># from screen> List Description > ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii [no description available] > ># from screen> > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > ># from screen> > ># from screen> Delivered by Mailman > ># from screen> version 2.0.5 Python Powered GNU's Not Unix Mailman home > ># from screen> page > ># from screen> Python home page > ># from screen> GNU home page > ># from screen> > > > > >From localhost, here is exactly what I get when I type, as root, "lynx > >localhost/mailman/admin": > > > ># from screen> kneedeep.org mailing lists - Admin Links > ># from screen> > ># from screen> # from screen> > ># from screen> No such list hinds > ># from screen> > ># from screen> Below is the collection of publicly-advertised mailman > ># from screen> mailing lists on kneedeep.org. Click on a list name > ># from screen> to visit the configuration pages for that list. To visit > ># from screen> the administrators configuration page for an > ># from screen> unadvertised list, open a URL similar to this one, but with > ># from screen> a '/' and the right list name appended. > ># from screen> > ># from screen> General list information can be found at the mailing list > ># from screen> overview page. > ># from screen> > ># from screen> (Send questions and comments to mailman-owner@localhost.) > ># from screen> > ># from screen> > ># from screen> List Description > ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii [no description available] > ># from screen> test This is a test list and will soon be deleted. > ># from screen> > >___________________________________________________________________________ _ > > > ># from screen> > ># from screen> Delivered by Mailman > ># from screen> version 2.0.5 Python Powered GNU's Not Unix Mailman home > ># from screen> page > ># from screen> Python home page > ># from screen> GNU home page > ># from screen> > > > >Here is what I have tried in order to delete the list. > > > ># from screen> fbsd# whoami > ># from screen> root > > > ># from screen> fbsd# pwd > ># from screen> /usr/local/mailman/bin > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists > ># from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: > ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] > ># from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon > ># from screen> be deleted. > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist "Hinds calculus ii" > ># from screen> Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. > ># from screen> Removing list info > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist -a "Hinds calculus ii" > ># from screen> Removing list info > ># from screen> hinds calculus ii private archives not found as > ># from screen> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/hinds calculus ii > ># from screen> Removing private archives > ># from screen> Removing public archives > ># from screen> Removing public archives > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists > ># from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: > ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] > ># from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon > ># from screen> be deleted. > > > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./rmlist \Hinds\ calculus\ ii > ># from screen> Not removing archives. Reinvoke with -a to remove them. > ># from screen> Removing list info > > > ># from screen> fbsd# ./list_lists > ># from screen> 2 matching mailing lists found: > ># from screen> Hinds calculus ii - [no description available] > ># from screen> test - This is a test list and will soon > ># from screen> be deleted. > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > ------------------------------------------------------ Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
